Air Quality (Pollution) on Cruise Ships - HOW BAD IS IT ?

[chengkp75]

I've traveled all over the world but will not go to Asia due to smoking issues there but I digress

 

However even in Rome these days smoking in public spaces is quite diminished and never an issue finding smoke free space indoor or outdoor at restaurants.

 

It's only going to take another half a generation or so in the USA based cruises to eliminate all smoking anyway but of course they need to allow for the foreign crew to have a well vented space to smoke but that will be away from pax anyway

 

The older generation will die off and the average logical 20 to 40 something doesn't smoke anyway. Key word is logical but add in educated as well.

 

Funny though the one thing rarely mentioned is that the ships officers are well known smokers so that's also part of the reason/problem that casino smoking is so pervasive and non playing smokers aren't told to stop

 

The agenda is oh so obvious

 

 

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Wow, so only "logical" and "educated" people should be allowed to cruise, since they are the only ones smart enough not to smoke? Or maybe we should go back to the "class" system on passenger ships, and keep the "riff raff" confined below decks where they can smoke to their hearts' content. And the hundred or so ship's officers are the driving force in keeping smoking going in passenger areas? What agenda?

[Elvis1209]

A page and a half before this turned into a smoking thread! You guys are slipping!!!!

 

Elvis

[chengkp75]

A page and a half before this turned into a smoking thread! You guys are slipping!!!!

 

Elvis

 

Sorry, wasn't sticking to the oh, so obvious agenda.

[TTraub1250]

Ships are powered by: 1. Coal 2. Fuel Oil number 6, 3. Diesel Fuel 4. Jet engine fuel 5. LNG 6.Nuclear . That being said... cruise ships today are only 2,3,4,5. Dirtiest in order is 1,2,3,4,5,6. That does not mean each of them is without other risks to the environment.

[SRF]

I consider myself an “environmentally conscious” person, but you are SO far over the top with this rant.

 

Just avoid the casino. It’s not that difficult.

 

Me? I would rather spend half an hour in a casino than 2 minutes trapped in an elevator with someone marinated in perfume/ cologne/ aftershave.

 

Or even worse, one who NEEDS to be marinated, as they have not showered in weeks.

[SRF]

The older generation will die off and the average logical 20 to 40 something doesn't smoke anyway. Key word is logical but add in educated as well.

 

Since you don't go places where people smoke, you obviously don't know that most smokers are young.

 

Older people seem to figure it out and stop.

[vacationlover_mn]

Since you don't go places where people smoke, you obviously don't know that most smokers are young.

 

 

 

Older people seem to figure it out and stop.

 

 

 

My friend has 2 athletic, popular, honor roll daughters 16-18. They said that pretty much everyone they know (except them of course ;)) smokes e-cigs. It has become insanely popular, and people are constantly and easily sneaking smokes in high school.

 

 

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[SRF]

My friend has 2 athletic, popular, honor roll daughters 16-18. They said that pretty much everyone they know (except them of course ;)) smokes e-cigs. It has become insanely popular, and people are constantly and easily sneaking smokes in high school.

 

And those things are more scary than real cigarettes.

 

They are totally unregulated as to what they put in the juice that use.

[AlanF65]

Since you don't go places where people smoke, you obviously don't know that most smokers are young.

 

Older people seem to figure it out and stop.

 

for the US at least that's true,

 

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htm

 

By Age2

 

Current cigarette smoking was higher among persons aged 18–24 years, 25–44 years, and 45–64 years than among those aged 65 years and older.

 

• About 13 of every 100 adults aged 18–24 years (13.1%)
  
• Nearly 18 of every 100 adults aged 25–44 years (17.6%)
  
• 18 of every 100 adults aged 45–64 years (18.0%)
  
• Nearly 9 of every 100 adults aged 65 years and older (8.8%)
  

[maggie cruises]

Since you don't go places where people smoke, you obviously don't know that most smokers are young.

 

 

 

Older people seem to figure it out and stop.

 

 

 

The only answer I have for you is that I live just outside NYC and it is very obvious that the vast majority of people do not smoke

 

 

I'm guessing they are intelligent enough to not only recognize the risk factors but to all realize that the financial burden to smoke is astronomical

 

It helps that ny state has very restrictive smoking laws

 

I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until ship leaving from NYC will have to adopt the local no smoking rules even out at sea if they want to continue to sail out of NYC

 

Isn't that the case in places like Australia and England?

 

 

 

 

 

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[SRF]

Hmm, you live in an area that has some of the most restrictions on smoking.

 

And you avoid places that allow smoking.

 

And you are an expert on the smoking habits of those people you are never around.

 

Yeap.

[chengkp75]

The only answer I have for you is that I live just outside NYC and it is very obvious that the vast majority of people do not smoke

 

 

I'm guessing they are intelligent enough to not only recognize the risk factors but to all realize that the financial burden to smoke is astronomical

 

It helps that ny state has very restrictive smoking laws

 

I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until ship leaving from NYC will have to adopt the local no smoking rules even out at sea if they want to continue to sail out of NYC

 

Isn't that the case in places like Australia and England?

 

 

 

 

 

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At sea, NYC laws have no jurisdiction on foreign flag ships, nor do NY State laws, outside of NY State. The predominant law onboard the ship at all times are the laws of the flag state (where the ship is registered). When in a port like NYC, there is a jurisdictional overlap between the laws of the port and the laws of the flag state. In these cases, the laws of the port will only be enforced on the ship if the safety or "harmony" of the port are violated. So, no, smoking laws from NYC or NY State will have no enforcement on the ship at any time.

 

UNCLOS (United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea) gives nations criminal jurisdiction over their territorial waters (out to 12 miles), but since smoking is not a criminal act, but a civil violation, there is no enforcement on foreign ships. There are other jurisdictions further out to sea, where more and more limited jurisdiction is granted to the coastal state, but again, this only applies to criminal acts or the regulation of marine resources, not civil violations.