majortom10 Posted June 27, 2020 #3701 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, terrierjohn said: I suspect that delaying refunds to preserve their cash was probably the main driver, so I imagine a big bonus will be their reward. If true really shows what Carnival think about their loyal customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 27, 2020 #3702 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, majortom10 said: If true really shows what Carnival think about their loyal customers. When you think about it,to most companies their customers are just a number and unfortunately the same thing can be said about their employees when you look at how many companies are laying off thousands of loyal workers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted June 27, 2020 #3703 Share Posted June 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, grapau27 said: When you think about it,to most companies their customers are just a number and unfortunately the same thing can be said about their employees when you look at how many companies are laying off thousands of loyal workers. I don't believe that many people really understand the dire economic situation we are facing. The only, or main, reason companies are laying off staff, is to try and ensure they stay in business. If things were normal then huge redundancies would not be needed, I understand the distress this will be causing, but without reducing outgoings many companies will be bankrupt, and then many more jobs will be lost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 27, 2020 #3704 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: I don't believe that many people really understand the dire economic situation we are facing. The only, or main, reason companies are laying off staff, is to try and ensure they stay in business. If things were normal then huge redundancies would not be needed, I understand the distress this will be causing, but without reducing outgoings many companies will be bankrupt, and then many more jobs will be lost. I agree it is worrying times and companies need to do what's necessary to stay afloat. I just hope that some don't use covid19 as an excuse to trim the workforce and cut wages for the wrong reasons. Pre covid19 some companies were making record profits but were still trimming their workforce to make bigger profits for shareholders. Edited June 27, 2020 by grapau27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted June 27, 2020 #3705 Share Posted June 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, grapau27 said: Pre covid19 some companies were making record profits but were still trimming their workforce to make bigger profits for shareholders. And many of the shareholders are pension funds, that rely on dividends and increased share prices to pay our pensions. Much as I dislike the worst excesses of capitalism, without profits and dividends I couldn't afford to live my current lifestyle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted June 27, 2020 #3706 Share Posted June 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, grapau27 said: I agree it is worrying times and companies need to do what's necessary to stay afloat. I just hope that some don't use covid19 as an excuse to trim the workforce and cut wages for the wrong reasons. Pre covid19 some companies were making record profits but were still trimming their workforce to make bigger profits for shareholders. British Airways, they have been trying to do what they are doing now for years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted June 27, 2020 #3707 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Noted from bank statement that refund was received in past week. Was due to cruise in early April. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted June 27, 2020 #3708 Share Posted June 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, wowzz said: And many of the shareholders are pension funds, that rely on dividends and increased share prices to pay our pensions. Much as I dislike the worst excesses of capitalism, without profits and dividends I couldn't afford to live my current lifestyle. Wowzz, that's a major concession from someone I had pegged as a mainstream socialist.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted June 27, 2020 #3709 Share Posted June 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: Wowzz, that's a major concession from someone I had pegged as a mainstream socialist.😉 I like to think of myself as a champagne socialist! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted June 27, 2020 #3710 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, wowzz said: I like to think of myself as a champagne socialist! A bit of a Tony Blair, or even Keir Starmer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted June 27, 2020 #3711 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: A bit of a Tony Blair, or even Keir Starmer then? I prefer the late, lamented, John Smith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ollienbertsmum Posted June 28, 2020 #3712 Share Posted June 28, 2020 11 hours ago, staygulf said: I can understand the need for flights, maybe a pre or post cruise stay, excursions and even a drink or two. But why is there a need to factor casino costs into a cruise? That seems reckless to me. It may be a reckless place to visit when on a cruise, but the reality is that during a normal cruise DH and I will visit the casino !! My point was that even if the base cost of the cruise was returned to me my attitude would not have been ‘oh great now I can afford another cruise’ because I know that there are other expenses involved. I forgot to add in the car park bill, the cattery fees, the travel insurance. It all adds up. A refund in the form of a FCC would not have made me think “oh let’s have three cruises instead of two this year”. The cruise companies must have been frustrated by yesterday’s announcement of lots of people rushing to book holidays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM CRUIZES Posted June 28, 2020 #3713 Share Posted June 28, 2020 14 hours ago, grapau27 said: I absolutely agree. Whether they will do the honourable thing and resign is questionable. When have the Heads of Cruise Companies ever done the Honourable thing they are only interested in the bottom line🤑. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 28, 2020 #3714 Share Posted June 28, 2020 8 hours ago, molecrochip said: Noted from bank statement that refund was received in past week. Was due to cruise in early April. Excellent news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miniyorkie Posted June 28, 2020 #3715 Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 hours ago, molecrochip said: Noted from bank statement that refund was received in past week. Was due to cruise in early April. Good afternoon to all who have helped me to stay positive whilst in the 100+ club. I can now announce wait for it , drum roll ............ just checked my credit card and YES. Refund received. Seems like the last emails to CEO office and to cruise TA CEO may have produced a result. Wow. Hope others in the 100+ club also have good news . Thanks everyone. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMichelle Posted June 28, 2020 #3716 Share Posted June 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, miniyorkie said: Good afternoon to all who have helped me to stay positive whilst in the 100+ club. I can now announce wait for it , drum roll ............ just checked my credit card and YES. Refund received. Seems like the last emails to CEO office and to cruise TA CEO may have produced a result. Wow. Hope others in the 100+ club also have good news . Thanks everyone. Fantastic, congratulations. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Steve Posted June 28, 2020 #3717 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Congratulations miniyorkie, glad you are leaving the club, none of us want continued membership! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 28, 2020 #3718 Share Posted June 28, 2020 58 minutes ago, miniyorkie said: Good afternoon to all who have helped me to stay positive whilst in the 100+ club. I can now announce wait for it , drum roll ............ just checked my credit card and YES. Refund received. Seems like the last emails to CEO office and to cruise TA CEO may have produced a result. Wow. Hope others in the 100+ club also have good news . Thanks everyone. Absolutely fantastic news. I am delighted for you.👍🍾 Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 28, 2020 #3719 Share Posted June 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hampshire Steve said: Congratulations miniyorkie, glad you are leaving the club, none of us want continued membership! You must be next Steve. Hopefully today or tomorrow before you start court proceedings. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Steve Posted June 28, 2020 #3720 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, grapau27 said: You must be next Steve. Hopefully today or tomorrow before you start court proceedings. Graham I would like to think so but I suspect I will be form filling Wednesday morning. Anyway next cruise booked and half paid for, September 13th to Bilbao, taking the car on board this time! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare DamianG Posted June 28, 2020 #3721 Share Posted June 28, 2020 17 hours ago, grapau27 said: Pre covid19 some companies were making record profits but were still trimming their workforce to make bigger profits for shareholders. That's what happened to me and to top it off they changed the redundancy terms so I got a payout capped at 20 years (after 34 year's service). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted June 28, 2020 #3722 Share Posted June 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, DamianG said: That's what happened to me and to top it off they changed the redundancy terms so I got a payout capped at 20 years (after 34 year's service). A lot of companies have caps of 20 years which is wrong. Some companies will be delighted they have the excuse to get rid of staff. We now see companies who should by law be paying out refunds in 14 days flouting the law and taking several months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ollienbertsmum Posted June 28, 2020 #3723 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Hampshire Steve said: Anyway next cruise booked and half paid for, September 13th to Bilbao, taking the car on board this time! Lovely. - Bilbao. Is on my bucket list but I have to fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ollienbertsmum Posted June 28, 2020 #3724 Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 hours ago, DamianG said: That's what happened to me and to top it off they changed the redundancy terms so I got a payout capped at 20 years (after 34 year's service). That is terrible. I wish life could be more fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted June 28, 2020 #3725 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 hours ago, DamianG said: That's what happened to me and to top it off they changed the redundancy terms so I got a payout capped at 20 years (after 34 year's service). On the other hand, I worked for the same company for 20+ years and just walked away. No more travelling, no more jet lag, no more budget reviews, no more strategic assessments, no more expense claims - best thing I ever did ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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