jchowze Posted July 18, 2020 #26 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Thanks @caribill that's good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted July 18, 2020 #27 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, drsel said: Ever since what? Since Skywalker's was removed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvpends Posted July 18, 2020 #28 Share Posted July 18, 2020 It just makes no sense to me that Grand wouldn't be on the list of ships to scrap. Her sisters Star and Golden are more desirable due to having retained Skywalkers, the thermal suite on Star, and they are both newer. So why would Grand be kept? She has no advantages over those ships. Regal, on the other hand -- it makes absolutely no sense that she would be released from the fleet. I doubt that Pacific will be released. Many love that small ship and her special itineraries, which sell out easily even at a greater price per day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 18, 2020 Author #29 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I have booked Sea Princess in April 2021 and I hope it will sail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2cruzuk Posted July 20, 2020 #30 Share Posted July 20, 2020 There's no chance that the Regal is going anywhere! It's a brand new ship. Sea Princess is certainly fit for the bin, as is the Grand Princess. I could never understand why they got rid of Golden & Star Princess, but kept the Grand. It's had it's day and I would never sail on it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseAdict218 Posted July 20, 2020 #31 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 3:26 PM, drsel said: Updated list Previously sold Costa neoClassica sold to Bahamas Paradise Costa neoRiviera sold to AIDA (group Co.) Costa Atlantica - sold to Carnival-China JV Costa Mediterranea - sold to Carnival-China JV P&O Aus Pacific Aria - sold to CMV, early departure P&O Aus Pacific Dawn-sold to CMV, early departure Confirmed Costa Victoria - sold for scrap P&O Oceana sold to Greek buyer-Chinese interests HAL Maasdam HAL Veendam HAL Rotterdam sold to Fred Olsen HAL Amsterdam sold to Fred Olsen Costa neoRomantica - sold to Celestyal Cruises Golden Princess - internal transfer to P&O Australia Star Princess - internal transfer to P&O Australia Very Likely Carnival Fascination - sold for scrap Carnival Inspiration - sold for scrap Carnival Elation - sold for scrap Carnival Imagination - sold for scrap Carnival Ecstasy - sold for scrap Carnival Fantasy- sold for scrap They won’t scrap the entire Fantasy class, Arnold said they are still popular and still money makers, of course it’s a matter of opinion. Fantasy and Inspiration are basically confirmed, Ecstasy is retuning to Freeport, Imagination is still holding on the other side of the canal, Fascination is heading to Cadiz so that’s an interesting one. But all 13 ships were accounted for if you count Atlantica, Mediterranea, Aria and Dawn in the mix, if they aren’t counted then I’d imagine Princess will lose most likely Sun and Pacific though I do suspect they will save and sell Pacific to Oceania/Azamara once cruising resumes. Though if cruising doesn’t resume soon then more will be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbinMich Posted July 20, 2020 #32 Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 12:37 PM, cvpends said: I am curious to hear the justification for why Grand would remain in the fleet? She, while lovely like all Princess ships, is definitely long in the tooth. We sailed on the Grand in 2010 on the "Circle Caribbean" itinerary. Great itinerary, but ship was oldest and smallest Princess ship we were on. I won't miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisalta Posted July 20, 2020 #33 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Last time I was on the Grand Princess was October 2019 and she was in great shape. The Skywalker Lounge was removed many years ago because it made the Grand sail stern heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted July 20, 2020 #34 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) On 7/17/2020 at 12:14 PM, sunviking82 said: As of now here's what CCL has gotten rid of or looks like they are on the way out: 1. Carnival Fantasy (scrap) 2. Carnival Inspiration (scrap) 3. HAL - Maasdam (?) 4. HAL - Veendam (?) 5. HAL - Amsterdam (going to Fred Olsen) 6. HAL - Rotterdam (also going to Fred) 7. Costa -NeoRomantica (sold to Celestal Cruises) 8. Costa - Mediteranea (transferring to CSSC May 2021) 9. Costa - Atlantica (transfered to CSSC Jan 2020) 10. Costa - Victoria (scrap) 11. P&O - Oceana(?) Princess - Golden (transferring to P&O- Aus 2020) Princess - Star (transerring to P&O - Aus 2021) 12. P&O - Aus - Pacific Aria (sold) 13. P&O-Aus - Pacific Dawn (sold) If you remove the transfers, there are still 4 more ships to go. My thoughts: Princess - Pacific CCL - 2 more Fantasy Class 6 more to go from corporate! What does: Costa - Mediteranea (transferring to CSSC May 2021) & Costa - Atlantica (transfered to CSSC Jan 2020) mean? Are these still part of the CCL fleet? Are 8 or 6 slated to go? Edited July 20, 2020 by Ombud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 20, 2020 Author #35 Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 more to go from corporate! What does: Costa - Mediteranea (transferring to CSSC May 2021) & Costa - Atlantica (transfered to CSSC Jan 2020) mean? Are these still part of the CCL fleet? Are 8 or 6 slated to go?2 Costa ships are transferred to China shipping Corporation, a joint venture with Carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted July 20, 2020 #36 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Is it income like a sale or just a transfer entry like the Golden & Star? (So glad I sailed on both last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 20, 2020 Author #37 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Is it income like a sale or just a transfer entry like the Golden & Star? (So glad I sailed on both last year) I guess the Chinese will pay them for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted July 20, 2020 #38 Share Posted July 20, 2020 + Carnival Fantasy & Inspiration (scrap) so I was wrong ..... it's 4 more to go this round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunviking82 Posted July 20, 2020 #39 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Ombud said: 6 more to go from corporate! What does: Costa - Mediteranea (transferring to CSSC May 2021) & Costa - Atlantica (transfered to CSSC Jan 2020) mean? Are these still part of the CCL fleet? Are 8 or 6 slated to go? With the news about Maritime going under, the two P&O - Aus ships either need new buyers or are headed to the breakers :(. My hopes for the Sun and Sea are becoming less and less, and the Pacific which I never go to sail. Not only will we have fewer ships but those "finge" cruiselines will be gone. Hope Fred Olsen hangs on (although looks like they are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted July 21, 2020 #40 Share Posted July 21, 2020 13 hours ago, luv2cruzuk said: I could never understand why they got rid of Golden & Star Princess, but kept the Grand. It's had it's day and I would never sail on it again. It could be that P&O did not want the Grand. When transferring or selling a ship, the recipient must want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downsmead Posted July 21, 2020 #41 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I would hope that they keep the Pacific Princess, I can see there being a niche market for a small vessel, with more ports not accepting the larger ships now (e.g Key West). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbapuck Posted July 21, 2020 #42 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Looking forward to my Alaska 2021 cruise on the Sun. Would be disappointed if that ship went away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 21, 2020 Author #43 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I am disappointed that so many ships are just being disposed off and going away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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