Rare A&L_Ont Posted October 1, 2020 #101 Share Posted October 1, 2020 @locksley10 I saw this. Consider that during the vast majority of this time frame, all but approximately 3/4 weeks, the major cruise lines were not sailing with guests out of US waters. “Cumulative surveillance data reported to CDC from March 1 through September 29, 2020, shows at least 3,689 COVID-19 or COVID-like illness cases on cruise ships in U.S. waters, in addition to at least 41 reported deaths. We recognize these numbers are likely incomplete and an underestimate”. Source, CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0930-no-sail-order.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locksley10 Posted October 1, 2020 Author #102 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Thank you all for just the facts. I was trying to get a sense of how many thought the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart. Does anybody on this board think the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSHS1979 Posted October 1, 2020 #103 Share Posted October 1, 2020 41 minutes ago, locksley10 said: Thank you all for just the facts. I was trying to get a sense of how many thought the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart. Does anybody on this board think the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart? Why didn't you ask that, then? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted October 1, 2020 #104 Share Posted October 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, locksley10 said: Thank you all for just the facts. I was trying to get a sense of how many thought the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart. Does anybody on this board think the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart? I would guess that almost everybody on this board thinks the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart. Was there ever any doubt that they would be given that chance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted October 1, 2020 #105 Share Posted October 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, locksley10 said: Thank you all for just the facts. I was trying to get a sense of how many thought the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart. Does anybody on this board think the cruise lines should be given a chance to restart? Under what conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrednole Posted October 1, 2020 #106 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, A&L_Ont said: @locksley10 I saw this. Consider that during the vast majority of this time frame, all but approximately 3/4 weeks, the major cruise lines were not sailing with guests out of US waters. “Cumulative surveillance data reported to CDC from March 1 through September 29, 2020, shows at least 3,689 COVID-19 or COVID-like illness cases on cruise ships in U.S. waters, in addition to at least 41 reported deaths. We recognize these numbers are likely incomplete and an underestimate”. Source, CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0930-no-sail-order.html With the words "at least" everywhere, none of this is fact. The reason the CDC can't provide information is because there methods to collect and verify it were broken to begin with. I would not be crazy to think the deaths due to covid directly was only 10% of the number. I would also say the number of positives would probably have been higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted October 1, 2020 #107 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, bigrednole said: With the words "at least" everywhere, none of this is fact. The reason the CDC can't provide information is because there methods to collect and verify it were broken to begin with. I would not be crazy to think the deaths due to covid directly was only 10% of the number. I would also say the number of positives would probably have been higher. They wanted stats. I just copied the link. The CDC also says it should be higher. I can’t speak to that being true or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrednole Posted October 1, 2020 #108 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I know and agree. I was just pointing out that the CDC doesn't even have facts and can't speak clearly with the data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted October 1, 2020 #109 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Relax I'll need some information first Just the basic facts Can you show me where it hurts? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1980dory Posted October 2, 2020 #110 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 10:16 AM, bigrednole said: That's like trying to explain what color the letter 7 smells like! 😁 BigRed: Well, doesn't everyone know the answer to that?! And if you're not smart enough to figure that out, I'm not going to tell you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1980dory Posted October 2, 2020 #111 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 10:00 AM, locksley10 said: How many people left the U.S. on a 7 day or less cruise and contracted covid on the cruise ships pre shutdown? How many Died? Data source please. Data source: PPN (Propaganda News Network). Now providing all the news everywhere for the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXA350 Posted October 3, 2020 #112 Share Posted October 3, 2020 This thread is like, I can't smell that that wearing a mask or washing / disinfecting my hands frequently will make COVID disapear, so because I can't see or feel it i will ignore doing so. "facts please" "source", somethimes a bit of common sense and doing your own research, we have this great tool caled the interent, would be much more usefull. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted October 3, 2020 #113 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:54 PM, sfaaa said: Relax I'll need some information first Just the basic facts Can you show me where it hurts? There is no pain you are receding A distant ship smoke on the horizon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastodon Posted October 3, 2020 #114 Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 hours ago, LXA350 said: This thread is like, I can't smell that that wearing a mask or washing / disinfecting my hands frequently will make COVID disapear, so because I can't see or feel it i will ignore doing so. "facts please" "source", somethimes a bit of common sense and doing your own research, we have this great tool caled the interent, would be much more usefull. Mix some sugar water up, put your Covid tampon on - can you smell/taste the sugar water?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1980dory Posted October 17, 2020 #115 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 3:49 PM, taglovestocruise said: Over 500,000 thousand people cruised per week in 2019. First 3 months of 2020 new records were being set. How many people did NOT contract Covid 19 and did not die. I will guess the number in under 100th of a percent. World wide contraction is at 0.03% Facts go either way. Is; "I will guess the number..." part of your "facts" which go either way? Please explain your reasoning on how this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssking Posted October 19, 2020 #116 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Let's attack this a different way. How many people KNOW someone who has passed away from Covid-19? Many know of people who CLAIM they've had it, or have tested positive. There are MANY false positives. So the numbers that CNN and every other new outlets broadcast are vastly false. What does this mean? That it MAY be slightly worse than the flu, yet "THEY" shut the world down and brought the travel industry and many other small businesses to a grinding halt. FOR WHAT....... money. The CDC is a business.......a businesses funded by the government that produces VACCINES. Vaccines that are patented. I see where Loxley is going......just that MANY want to believe what the media tells them and subsequently follow like sheep. Follow the money....... simple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted October 19, 2020 #117 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dssking said: Let's attack this a different way. How many people KNOW someone who has passed away from Covid-19? Many know of people who CLAIM they've had it, or have tested positive. There are MANY false positives. So the numbers that CNN and every other new outlets broadcast are vastly false. What does this mean? That it MAY be slightly worse than the flu, yet "THEY" shut the world down and brought the travel industry and many other small businesses to a grinding halt. FOR WHAT....... money. The CDC is a business.......a businesses funded by the government that produces VACCINES. Vaccines that are patented. I see where Loxley is going......just that MANY want to believe what the media tells them and subsequently follow like sheep. Follow the money....... simple It's not slightly worse than the flu. There have been over 200,000 more deaths in the US this year than average. Research "excess mortality". The numbers are real. Edited October 19, 2020 by time4u2go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssking Posted October 19, 2020 #118 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, time4u2go said: It's not slightly worse than the flu. There have been over 200,000 more deaths in the US this year than average. The numbers are real. How do you know they're real? Because CNN said so? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted October 19, 2020 #119 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dssking said: How do you know they're real? Because CNN said so? No. Because Johns Hopkins says so, among others. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-10-13/covid-19-taking-huge-toll-in-excess-us-deaths. If you research excess mortality you can find plenty of information on it. Edited October 19, 2020 by time4u2go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssking Posted October 19, 2020 #120 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, time4u2go said: No. Because Johns Hopkins says so, among others. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-10-13/covid-19-taking-huge-toll-in-excess-us-deaths. If you research excess mortality you can find plenty of information on it. Mortality rate is 0.03% of dying from Covid. Is that reason to be locked up and have the world shut down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted October 19, 2020 #121 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, dssking said: Mortality rate is 0.03% of dying from Covid. Is that reason to be locked up and have the world shut down? That's a different question. I was responding to your suggestion that this is only slightly worse than the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted October 19, 2020 #122 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, time4u2go said: It's not slightly worse than the flu. There have been over 200,000 more deaths in the US this year than average. Research "excess mortality". The numbers are real. I know people are dying with COVID19. The boss lost one weekend before last. Bad stuff. My son, ICU Nurse, who came up for his birthday, has had many die with COVID19. All these people had a pre existing condition. As long as we pay a 20% “bonus” for COVID19, lots of people die with COVID19. It’s not really measurable. Patients without insurance are paid in full plus the 20% just as long as they have COVID19. A positive COVID19 test is not required. That’s a fact Jack. M8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted October 19, 2020 #123 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Milwaukee Eight said: I know people are dying with COVID19. The boss lost one weekend before last. Bad stuff. My son, ICU Nurse, who came up for his birthday, has had many die with COVID19. All these people had a pre existing condition. As long as we pay a 20% “bonus” for COVID19, lots of people die with COVID19. It’s not really measurable. Patients without insurance are paid in full plus the 20% just as long as they have COVID19. A positive COVID19 test is not required. That’s a fact Jack. . M8 I don't doubt that there is some question in reporting covid-19 deaths, but the fact is, more than 200,000 more people have died this year in the US than normally would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted October 19, 2020 #124 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, time4u2go said: I don't doubt that there is some question in reporting covid-19 deaths, but the fact is, more than 200,000 more people have died this year in the US than normally would have. What are the normal total deaths in 2019 as compared to 2020? I’ve looked for a source and have not found one. That 200k number is supposed to be COVID19 deaths. I think many are with COVID19 and not from COVID19. M8 Edited October 19, 2020 by Milwaukee Eight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssking Posted October 19, 2020 #125 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said: I know people are dying with COVID19. The boss lost one weekend before last. Bad stuff. My son, ICU Nurse, who came up for his birthday, has had many die with COVID19. All these people had a pre existing condition. As long as we pay a 20% “bonus” for COVID19, lots of people die with COVID19. It’s not really measurable. Patients without insurance are paid in full plus the 20% just as long as they have COVID19. A positive COVID19 test is not required. That’s a fact Jack. M8 Dying with Covid and dying FROM Covid are two very different things. Hospitals get paid for covid cases and even more for covid deaths. So if a skydiver's chute didn't open, the hospital would deem it a covid death. That's how rediculous this is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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