NOVEMBER 1st FOR REAL ?????

[Hoopster95]

3 hours ago, boscobeans said:

There is NO REASON they can't do the same for cruises leaving from U.S. ports aside from POLITICS...

bosco

 

 

The 100% true answer is here...from one of the most trusted and most knowledgeable (if not the most knowledgeable) members of this forum:

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2755293-probably-too-late-butwhy-not-capitalize/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-60167131

 

"The cost and difficulty in obtaining thousands of work visas for the crew is why "cruises to nowhere" are no longer offered.  Contrary to popular belief here on CC, "cruises to nowhere" are still legal, but the crew must meet the visa requirements, which makes the operation fiscally uneconomical."

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by Hoopster95

[boscobeans]

1 hour ago, Hoopster95 said:

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by boscobeans

[island lady]

9 minutes ago, boscobeans said:

 

 

Cruises to nowhere are legal ??

As far as crew, visas, training, provisioning and operating a ship in just a few weeks Royal Caribbean is sailing the Quantum on December 1st.  

 

 

Out of the U.S...they are legal only for day cruises (gambling boats).  Overnight cruises from the U.S. have to follow the PSA rule (also mistakenly called the Jones Act).  

Edited October 8, 2020 by island lady

[Hoopster95]

37 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Out of the U.S...they are legal only for day cruises (gambling boats).  Overnight cruises from the U.S. have to follow the PSA rule (also mistakenly called the Jones Act).  

 

Incorrect. Please see the post I made above regarding Chengkp confirmation that the PVSA has nothing to do with this, it has to do with foreign worker's visas

[chengkp75]

32 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Out of the U.S...they are legal only for day cruises (gambling boats).  Overnight cruises from the U.S. have to follow the PSA rule (also mistakenly called the Jones Act).  

Not quite correct.  As it relates to the PVSA, the Act specifically states that "cruises to nowhere" are legal.  Why they are not offered anymore, is that CBP issued a ruling after a Bahamas casino resort started using their boat that took guests to and from the resort, for gambling cruises to nowhere.  These boats were foreign flag, with foreign crew, just like the major cruise ships, and CBP and State Department ruled that since the boats (and cruise ships) were not going anywhere, the crew were working exclusively in the US, and therefore were not eligible for crew visas, but would need H2-B temporary work visas.  The cost and difficulty in obtaining these visas (citizens of some countries cannot get them) makes cruises to nowhere financially unsound in the US.

 

All those day cruising gambling boats are US flag, and therefore the recipients of the protections of the PVSA.

[island lady]

22 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Not quite correct.  As it relates to the PVSA, the Act specifically states that "cruises to nowhere" are legal.  Why they are not offered anymore, is that CBP issued a ruling after a Bahamas casino resort started using their boat that took guests to and from the resort, for gambling cruises to nowhere.  These boats were foreign flag, with foreign crew, just like the major cruise ships, and CBP and State Department ruled that since the boats (and cruise ships) were not going anywhere, the crew were working exclusively in the US, and therefore were not eligible for crew visas, but would need H2-B temporary work visas.  The cost and difficulty in obtaining these visas (citizens of some countries cannot get them) makes cruises to nowhere financially unsound in the US.

 

All those day cruising gambling boats are US flag, and therefore the recipients of the protections of the PVSA.

 

Thanks...very interesting.  So, cost is keeping our cruise ships from doing the "cruises to nowhere"?  Same result I guess...no overnight cruises to no where in our future.  

I wouldn't mind a cruise to nowhere cruise...especially on the Oasis ladies...where the ship IS the destination, but obviously still not going to happen, PVSA rule, legal to do so ... or not.  Not going to happen.  

Edited October 8, 2020 by island lady

[broberts]

6 hours ago, boscobeans said:

There is NO REASON they can't do the same for cruises leaving from U.S. ports aside from POLITICS...

 

Lots of fact fact based reasons why cruising from US ports at this time is not a good idea. Perhaps the most compelling are:

• Cases per million: Singapore 9,867; U.S. 23,577
• Deaths per million: Singapore 5; U.S. 656

Singapore, in part due to its political structure and relatively small size has a much better handle on COVID-19. 

Edited October 8, 2020 by broberts