6/7/21 Letter to July Horizon cruisers from Carnival

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

Ah - so this is where all you guys are now (I was wondering why the other threads slowed down - lol)

 

Tom

[cruizinisthebest]

July cruises out of Florida may wind up being cancelled. But I don't see why they can't ask for the information on a voluntary basis starting with August cruises. If they don't get % they need and the majority of passengers have responded by three weeks out, then start cancelling. Yes that is messed up but there has to be a way to deal with this. I don't see these cruise ships taking the chance on the bad press that will come from an outbreak/super spreader event. And yes I know vaccinated people can still get covid. But it's just not the same risk as sailing with a bunch of unvaccinated folks.

 

These ships need to sail with fully vaccinated passengers for many more months. Until kids and many more adults who are willing and able get the shot do so. The country is doing good, but there's still a ways to go yet. The cruise industry does not deserve to be tanked like this. They have to start making money.

[dandeck]

The industry simply cannot afford to accept the RISK of unvaccinated passengers.  An outbreak aboard would be a death nail at this point.  Wife & I have 8 cruises scheduled currently.  3 in November 5 in January - February '22.  Having been vaccinated, there is no way we would sail unless vaccinations are required.  Anyone who has ever been on a cruise ship knows this is the last place unvaccinated folks need to be.  No way to avoid contagion aboard.  Hopefully we can get this pandemic behind us in time so vaccinations aren't needed, but at this point, no way around it on cruise ships.  

[SNJCruisers]

14 hours ago, CJHAN said:

Looks like I’m rolling this dice and booking out of Galveston mid July. Worst thing that can happen is a get more on board credits for a future cruise. 

That's the best thing that could happen.  600 in free money to spend.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

I have $600 OBC (from cancellation) going towards my 3 night Liberty sailing in December. I only get that bonus one time, correct? In other words, if they cancel my 8/7 Mardi Gras - I basically just get my money back - perhaps months later?

 

Tom

[SNJCruisers]

4 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

I have $600 OBC (from cancellation) going towards my 3 night Liberty sailing in December. I only get that bonus one time, correct? In other words, if they cancel my 8/7 Mardi Gras - I basically just get my money back - perhaps months later?

 

Tom

Tom.  You can get multiple amounts of OBC if you have multiple cruises cancel.  You just can't stack them.  For instance, if you had 3 different cruises cancel over 3 different months that were each 7 days, you would earn 1800 in OBC that you could put 600 on 3 newly booked cruises.  But you could not stack that OBC and put it all on one cruise, you would then only get 600 for that 1 cruise  and you would lose the 1200.  The OBC for cancelled shorter cruises is also only 300.

[mondello]

1 minute ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

I have $600 OBC (from cancellation) going towards my 3 night Liberty sailing in December. I only get that bonus one time, correct? In other words, if they cancel my 8/7 Mardi Gras - I basically just get my money back - perhaps months later?

 

Tom

No, you only get the $600 once, no matter how many times you rebook that cruise. However, you can get OBC offered to rebook each cancelled cruise if you have multiple cruises. Someone here had 5 different cruises cancelled and ended up with rebooking OBC along with their casino OBC. Some people seemed to book more with the expectation of probably being cancelled and getting the $600. Pretty sure that drove prices much higher in the short term.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

Ah --- THANKS  (so there's a small upside to getting cancelled again). Though, I'd rather take the cruise even if offered a couple grand in OBC as a consolation -- if they were trying to reduce capacity for example.

 

Tom 

[TNcruising02]

1 hour ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

Ah --- THANKS  (so there's a small upside to getting cancelled again). Though, I'd rather take the cruise even if offered a couple grand in OBC as a consolation -- if they were trying to reduce capacity for example.

 

Tom 

That is assuming they will continue to offer OBCs for cruises that Carnival cancels.  They could decide to just let people get a refund.  However, the trend has been that Carnival offers the OBC as an incentive to rebook instead of getting a refund.

[linz98144]

I'm 100% lost. 

Had to cancel our cruise since our children can't come(too young for vaccine). 

Just spent 30 minutes on the phone with carnival and they said I could take the credit and re-book the cruise for a later date. My obc is also supposed to be intact. 

But when I go on my cruise planner there is nothing there. No credits, no "proof" that I was ever scheduled/ paid for the previous cruise. They have also sent nothing to my e mail. 

 

Anyone have this issue and can give me advice? I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes on the phone. 

Thanks in advance

[SNJCruisers]

4 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, linz98144 said:

I'm 100% lost. 

Had to cancel our cruise since our children can't come(too young for vaccine). 

Just spent 30 minutes on the phone with carnival and they said I could take the credit and re-book the cruise for a later date. My obc is also supposed to be intact. 

But when I go on my cruise planner there is nothing there. No credits, no "proof" that I was ever scheduled/ paid for the previous cruise. They have also sent nothing to my e mail. 

 

Anyone have this issue and can give me advice? I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes on the phone. 

Thanks in advance

I would do your research and have a future cruise you wish to go on picked already.  Then call back and ask to speak to a supervisor.  Make sure that everything transfers OK.  30 minutes of hold time is nothing.   I was on hold with American airlines for close to 2 hours last week.

Edited June 8, 2021 by SNJCruisers

[bethtex]

19 hours ago, lazydayz said:

 

Texas appears to have passed a law similar to Florida's, but someone said it doesn't go into effect for 90 days.  If that is true, I would feel pretty good about a cruise from Galveston in July.  But I might be an optimist, as I feel ok about my July 10th cruise on the Horizon.  Cruising is making a comeback in North America and Carnival is focusing its efforts on those three ships.  Just my latest leap of faith - LOL. 

The Texas order from the Governor (not a law passed by legislature) does not apply to private businesses.  It just applies to state and local governments and schools. I think there is an exemption for hospitals and nursing homes also. So not at all like FL law which tells private businesses how to operate and penalizes them for trying to operate in what they deem the safest manner possible.

[SCBarker]

10 minutes ago, bethtex said:

The Texas order from the Governor (not a law passed by legislature) does not apply to private businesses.  It just applies to state and local governments and schools. I think there is an exemption for hospitals and nursing homes also. So not at all like FL law which tells private businesses how to operate and penalizes them for trying to operate in what they deem the safest manner possible.

There was a new law passed by the legislature yesterday, not the previous governor's order that you're speaking of.

[lazydayz]

1 hour ago, SCBarker said:

There was a new law passed by the legislature yesterday, not the previous governor's order that you're speaking of.

 

That was my understanding as well.  However, there is now talk it became effective upon the governor signing it?  

[Joe817]

7 minutes ago, lazydayz said:

 

That was my understanding as well.  However, there is now talk it became effective upon the governor signing it?  

He signed it into law last night. It was on the local news down here of him signing it.  Well, with that stroke of his pen he lost my vote. 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Joe817

[lazydayz]

35 minutes ago, Joe817 said:

He signed it into law last night. It was on the local news down here of him signing it.  Well, with that stroke of his pen he lost my vote. 

 

Crazy, guess we will all just have to sail from somewhere else.  Nassau and St. Maarten are looking better every day. 

[shellster1]

Does anyone know if they cancel your sailings, do they offer you a full refund, or just a cruise credit? I want to roll the dice and book, but I'd prefer my money back if it gets cancelled. Thanks in advance!

[Joe817]

1 minute ago, shellster1 said:

Does anyone know if they cancel your sailings, do they offer you a full refund, or just a cruise credit? I want to roll the dice and book, but I'd prefer my money back if it gets cancelled. Thanks in advance!

From what I understand, IF Carnival cancels your cruise, you are given the option of:

1.) Full refund or

2.) Full credit for what you paid in the form of a future cruise credit + $600 On Board Credit. The FCC has time limits on it though. You'll be made aware of that when you take the FCC. 

[shellster1]

6 minutes ago, Joe817 said:

From what I understand, IF Carnival cancels your cruise, you are given the option of:

1.) Full refund or

2.) Full credit for what you paid in the form of a future cruise credit + $600 On Board Credit. The FCC has time limits on it though. You'll be made aware of that when you take the FCC. 

Thank you!

[JRL81]

1 hour ago, Joe817 said:

He signed it into law last night. It was on the local news down here of him signing it.  Well, with that stroke of his pen he lost my vote. 

I agree!! However.. if you read the transcript and listen to him he clearly states if is for Texas businesses.. as the cruise lines are considered foreign entities he neatly side stepped the egg in his face that desantis is facing

[Joe817]

19 minutes ago, JRL81 said:

I agree!! However.. if you read the transcript and listen to him he clearly states if is for Texas businesses.. as the cruise lines are considered foreign entities he neatly side stepped the egg in his face that desantis is facing

Let's hope that's the case, and all is well with a fully vaxxed cruise. 🤞

[cruisingguy007]

On 6/7/2021 at 12:40 PM, sm3ds said:

Can you explain to me why it's unconstitutional? Governors have been telling private business what they can and cannot do throughout this whole pandemic. Have you forgotten about mask mandates, take out only,  capacity restrictions, gyms not being allowed to open. Disneyland shut down for a year and then no out of state visitors allowed.  My favorite you can't drink in a bar without ordering food. The list just goes on and on. 

I'm perplexed as why all of sudden government telling a business they can't ask for medical records is an over reach. They've been over reaching for over a year and most of you were Ok with it. 

 

 

It's not a medical record, it's a vaccine ID. No one is forced to take a vaccine, this law intends to remove the consequences of that personal choice. Choices have consequences, hastily enacting a law to shield people from consequences of their choices is basically making them out to be victims (of their own making). There is no constitutional right to cruise. They are not persecuted and there is no constitutional crisis. It's a crisis of personal responsibility/accountability. 

 

It's like the old saying about the freedom to swing your fist ends at someone else's face. This law basically is diving face first into someones fist and then claiming to be offended and creating victims who seek to be shielded from the consequences of their own free choices. Free choice does not mean free of consequences.    

Edited June 8, 2021 by cruisingguy007

[SNJCruisers]

1 hour ago, shellster1 said:

Thank you!

The OBC is reduced to 300 if you're on a 3-5  day cruise.  Not sure about a 6 day one.  But 7+ equals 600.

[sm3ds]

2 hours ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

It's not a medical record, it's a vaccine ID. No one is forced to take a vaccine, this law intends to remove the consequences of that personal choice. Choices have consequences, hastily enacting a law to shield people from consequences of their choices is basically making them out to be victims (of their own making). There is no constitutional right to cruise. They are not persecuted and there is no constitutional crisis. It's a crisis of personal responsibility/accountability. 

 

It's like the old saying about the freedom to swing your fist ends at someone else's face. This law basically is diving face first into someones fist and then claiming to be offended and creating victims who seek to be shielded from the consequences of their own free choices. Free choice does not mean free of consequences.    

Because cruising is the most important thing in the world therefore vaccine passports should be allowed just to accommodate the 1% of the population that cruises. 

[cruisingguy007]

12 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Because cruising is the most important thing in the world therefore vaccine passports should be allowed just to accommodate the 1% of the population that cruises. 

 

Even more reason to disregard those cruisers who choose to not get vaccinated and show their vaccine ID. It's only a fraction of a percentage based on your calculations. They are statistically insignificant and can vie for a spot in the 5% club with the 12 and unders, who I'm sure will be prioritized above them and won't have to pay for their covid tests; they'll probably be subsidized by unvaccinated adults when they pay for theirs at the terminal.   

Edited June 9, 2021 by cruisingguy007