mz-s Posted January 23, 2022 #1 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The CDC has recently added a new vaccination status to their COVID guidelines - "Up To Date" meaning the person has taken the booster if eligible. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html Carnival, near as I can tell, is still paying attention to "Fully Vaccinated" - which just means you've gotten your normal dose(s) at least 14 days before sailing. It's looking into the future I know, but anyone have a sense that Carnival will shift from requiring "fully vaccinated" to requiring "up to date"? And just as importantly, will ports-of-call begin requiring boosters? I hope not considering the WHO still is not recommending boosters for most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weluvtravel Posted January 23, 2022 #2 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Not sure about Carnival but Hawaii just changed their requirements to include the booster as well as original vaccine. Hawaii requires proof of vaccine (including booster) or a negative Covid test. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #3 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Carnival follows the CDC and sometimes goes farther. Most ports of call don't have adequate access to the vaccine to begin with, so I see them requiring cruisers to have maximum protection. WHO's objection is based on lack of vaccine for billions, not that there is anything wrong with boosters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted January 23, 2022 #4 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I think its san fran who is requiring boosters. I think princess is affected? Not carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brilliantseas Posted January 23, 2022 #5 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 hours ago, mz-s said: The CDC has recently added a new vaccination status to their COVID guidelines - "Up To Date" meaning the person has taken the booster if eligible. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html Carnival, near as I can tell, is still paying attention to "Fully Vaccinated" - which just means you've gotten your normal dose(s) at least 14 days before sailing. It's looking into the future I know, but anyone have a sense that Carnival will shift from requiring "fully vaccinated" to requiring "up to date"? And just as importantly, will ports-of-call begin requiring boosters? I hope not considering the WHO still is not recommending boosters for most people. If Carnival changes their definition, they cut their potential customer base in half in the United States. Unless circumstances get dramatically worse, or the CDC issues new requirements for the cruise industry, I don't think they will adopt a more restrictive policy as it relates to vaccination status. I believe they'll continue to use the "strongly recommended" language, but an actual requirement would be detrimental to their business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brilliantseas Posted January 23, 2022 #6 Share Posted January 23, 2022 11 hours ago, BlerkOne said: Carnival follows the CDC and sometimes goes farther. Most ports of call don't have adequate access to the vaccine to begin with, so I see them requiring cruisers to have maximum protection. WHO's objection is based on lack of vaccine for billions, not that there is anything wrong with boosters. Pfizer just came out and recommended against "periodic" boosters, instead recommending a once-annual booster. They are seeing declining returns in terms of the period in which the boosters offer a boost in antibodies. While the vaccine provides long term protection against severe disease and hospitalization, studies in the UK have found that the booster only offers around 50% protection against mild disease after 10 weeks, compared to 85-95% protection immediately. We'll see what Israel's data looks like on shot #4, but the protection period may be even less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ninjacat123 Posted January 23, 2022 #7 Share Posted January 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, brilliantseas said: Pfizer just came out and recommended against "periodic" boosters, instead recommending a once-annual booster. They are seeing declining returns in terms of the period in which the boosters offer a boost in antibodies. While the vaccine provides long term protection against severe disease and hospitalization, studies in the UK have found that the booster only offers around 50% protection against mild disease after 10 weeks, compared to 85-95% protection immediately. We'll see what Israel's data looks like on shot #4, but the protection period may be even less. Sounds like it could eventually be an annual flu shot. I wonder if it will be separate or combined with other strains, like the annual flu shot is now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted January 23, 2022 Author #8 Share Posted January 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, ninjacat123 said: Sounds like it could eventually be an annual flu shot. I wonder if it will be separate or combined with other strains, like the annual flu shot is now? I believe Moderna is working on a combined flu/covid shot that is given annually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosassa Posted January 23, 2022 #9 Share Posted January 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, brilliantseas said: While the vaccine provides long term protection against severe disease and hospitalization, studies in the UK have found that the booster only offers around 50% protection against mild disease after 10 weeks, compared to 85-95% protection immediately. Don't confuse results from the UK where the AstraZeneca vaccine is the one used vs the US where the more effective Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are in use (the J &J J vaccine is not as effective as the other two). Results with Moderna and Pfizer, including the booster data, shows a longer lasting immune response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted January 23, 2022 Author #10 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, brilliantseas said: If Carnival changes their definition, they cut their potential customer base in half in the United States. Unless circumstances get dramatically worse, or the CDC issues new requirements for the cruise industry, I don't think they will adopt a more restrictive policy as it relates to vaccination status. I believe they'll continue to use the "strongly recommended" language, but an actual requirement would be detrimental to their business. My and my wife's concern is we are fully vaccinated but have no plans or desire to boost. Our November cruise is fine under the current rules, but if they change the meaning of "Fully Vaccinated" between now and then we won't meet the criteria. I do hope you're right in that they realize that there aren't enough boosted people to keep the industry afloat (pardon the pun). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #11 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Something over 75 million Americans are boosted. That could keep the industry afloat for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted January 23, 2022 #12 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The interesting thing is that from all I've read, jab #3 is still quite effective providing 90+ percentage protection against hospitalization/death for upwards of 10-12 weeks and then beginning to decline after that (although the secondary T cell response remains). I've read also that subsequent jabs have a significant diminishing return, potentially to the point of neutrality. So while the science is absolutely clear that getting vaccinated/boosted is the right answer, there seems to be a time when natural immunity from a mild or fully asymptomatic case (T cell protected) is the way out of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #13 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I'll stick with the science that says the vaccine is more effective than "natural immunity." More than one person has posted they have had covid more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Beach Bum Posted January 23, 2022 #14 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: I'll stick with the science that says the vaccine is more effective than "natural immunity." More than one person has posted they have had covid more than once. And vaccinated have had it more than once. So in those cases neither was effective at prevention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ninjacat123 Posted January 23, 2022 #15 Share Posted January 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Colorado Beach Bum said: And vaccinated have had it more than once. So in those cases neither was effective at prevention. My understanding was that the Covid vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid, but reduces the symptoms hopefully reducing the number of infected people needing hospitalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #16 Share Posted January 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, Colorado Beach Bum said: And vaccinated have had it more than once. So in those cases neither was effective at prevention. True, but the vaccine wasn't developed for Delta, much less Omicron. Help is on the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted January 23, 2022 #17 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, BlerkOne said: I'll stick with the science that says the vaccine is more effective than "natural immunity." More than one person has posted they have had covid more than once. What about the science published by the CDC last week regarding natural immunity vs the vaccine? https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine/cdc-report-natural-immunity-stronger-than-vaccines-alone-during-delta-wave/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #18 Share Posted January 23, 2022 "The study has limits — namely, it was done before the omicron wave and doesn’t factor in any information about boosters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted January 23, 2022 #19 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, BlerkOne said: "The study has limits — namely, it was done before the omicron wave and doesn’t factor in any information about boosters." Correct and it also obvious that the vaccinated are getting Omicron in much larger numbers than Delta, including those with boosters. Stick with whatever science makes you comfortable and discount what does not, I think that is the norm for many as the pandemic winds down. I am beginning to see a light at the end of a very long tunnel but I tend to stick with an optimistic interpretation that doesn’t always materialize. I’m also optimistic boosters won’t be required, we should get the answer on that one soon. 🤞🤞🤞 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted January 23, 2022 #20 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I'll stick with science science. It is premature to claim the pandemic is over, because it isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazil65 Posted January 23, 2022 #21 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) The interesting thing is that from all I've read, jab #3 is still quite effective providing 90+ percentage protection against hospitalization/death for upwards of 10-12 weeks and then beginning to decline after that (although the secondary T cell response remains). The booster will get you through the winter wave (when the virus appears to be most active) until the virus once again wanes. Yes, you can get every variant that comes out, and if unvaxed you are more likely to get each variant as the virus searches for hosts that are the least protected. Original 2 doses were good for about 8 months full strength and then begins to dilute effectiveness, if you dont want to get a booster then you just have to get through the worst of what is left out there (delta & omicron with delta being the tough one). That being said, viruses live to mutate new variants in order to survive, as long as it can find the weak links of unprotected bodies, it will keep searching and creating new variants. The vaccine does not prevent the virus, it gives a body enough protection so that the virus will not mutate in that host. The virus hanging out (with no reason to leave the host) and latching on longer can make anybody sick. Like it or not, this virus is in charge right now and the best we can do at this point is not be a gracious host. Edited January 23, 2022 by Drazil65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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