CDC Announcement

[Redwing55]

• Barring massive hospitalizations in the US, I wouldn't be surprised that Covid gets treated like the flu or noro.  It'll be up to each individual to take the proper precautions, actions and reporting.  Definitely not totally effective, but resorts, planes, etc don't do anything in this respect, even today.  It's tough to put restrictions and actions on something that has ALMOST the same impact as other contagious viruses, etc.  I suspect this will not sit well with many, but will sit well with most.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Redwing55

[SiliconCruiser]

56 minutes ago, Redwing55 said:

• Barring massive hospitalizations in the US, I wouldn't be surprised that Covid gets treated like the flu or noro.

I have seen much stronger responses to Norovirus.  The ship virtually goes into lockdown, and they are far more stringent about hand washing and the use of sanitizers.  I think I may have posted this elsewhere on this site, but I was reminded by one of the destination specialists (who was a retired pharmacist,) that hand sanitizers contain alcohol which is effective at killing bacteria, but washing your hands with soap and water, is effective at killing viruses.  This information was provided relative to Norovirus.  This information refreshed information that I had received in high school.  Alcohol for bacteria, soap and water for viruses.  Covid is a virus.

[caribill]

From the Washington Post:

 

When it comes to pandemic-related risks, some travelers feel safer on cruises, and others feel the risk is higher than any other form of travel. Just this month, the Coral Princess had more than 100 covid cases onboard in Australia. Cruise companies have been dealing with the reality that the coronavirus will find its way onto ships. As of last Wednesday, 93 of the 94 ships reporting coronavirus data to the CDC were under observation for covid cases onboard.

 

This week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ended a pandemic-era program that disclosed coronavirus cases on ships to the public. While companies will continue to report cases to the agency, the CDC says travelers should now check with their cruise line for precautions and coronavirus levels.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/tips/cheap-cruises-deals-last-minute/?utm_campaign=wp_evening_edition&utm_medium=email&utm_source

[asalligo]

15 hours ago, memoak said:

That would not work for cruises leaving from Canada. You cannot get into the country without being vaccinated without a medical exemption from the Canadian government not Princess

Yes, my cruise is leaving from Fort Lauderdale.  

[msmoger]

7 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

That makes sense, but there is a certain hysteria when it comes to Covid, probably based on what it was when it first hit.

 

Or the 6.4 million deaths worldwide in 2.5 years (much more than any other recent historical outbreaks such as flu or noro).  I'm not being sarcastic.  It's just that there seems to still be many unknowns going forward given all the variants and the continued issues with long COVID, even among those with mild symptoms.  I don't have a solution.  I understand why so many think it's time to ease up or eliminate protocols.  I just think it's still too early to eliminate vaccine requirements and masking requirements in certain indoor settings.

[TheSeagoer]

6 minutes ago, msmoger said:

 

Or the 6.4 million deaths worldwide in 2.5 years (much more than any other recent historical outbreaks such as flu or noro).  I'm not being sarcastic.  It's just that there seems to still be many unknowns going forward given all the variants and the continued issues with long COVID, even among those with mild symptoms.  I don't have a solution.  I understand why so many think it's time to ease up or eliminate protocols.  I just think it's still too early to eliminate vaccine requirements and masking requirements in certain indoor settings.

That is a false number. Nobody know who died with Covid or from covid

[msmoger]

9 minutes ago, TheSeagoer said:

That is a false number. Nobody know who died with Covid or from covid

 

That's as accurate an estimate was we're ever going to get.  It comes from Johns Hopkins University.  Feel free to deny this level of reliability.

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

[Mary loves to travel]

12 hours ago, SiliconCruiser said:

I have seen much stronger responses to Norovirus.  The ship virtually goes into lockdown, and they are far more stringent about hand washing and the use of sanitizers.  I think I may have posted this elsewhere on this site, but I was reminded by one of the destination specialists (who was a retired pharmacist,) that hand sanitizers contain alcohol which is effective at killing bacteria, but washing your hands with soap and water, is effective at killing viruses.  This information was provided relative to Norovirus.  This information refreshed information that I had received in high school.  Alcohol for bacteria, soap and water for viruses.  Covid is a virus.

While proper hand washing is the best, hand sanitizers do kill both bacteria & viruses.   One way to help maximize the effect of hand sanitizer is to not wipe your hands off, but let the sanitizer dry on your hands -- those extra few minutes are what lets them do their job at killing both bacteria and viruses.   Note that sanitizers don't kill all viruses, but do indeed have a solid impact on the SARS-CoV-2 virus.    So, we shouldn't just ignore hand sanitizer thinking "it doesn't help against covid"... because IT DOES KILL the covid virus.

 

Here's an easy to read article:  Does Hand Sanitizer Kill Viruses? Here's What Experts Say | The Healthy

[Mary229]

1 minute ago, msmoger said:

 

That's as accurate an estimate was we're ever going to get.  It comes from Johns Hopkins University.  Feel free to deny this level of reliability.

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

Due to data collection methodology the only half way reliable number are deaths. That number is under review, see CDC remarks from June 2022 where they said at least 30% were highly suspect.   Hospitalizations are slightly reliable in that they only count visit as one data point yet do include people who are only admitted to the ER then leave. ICU bed are fairly reliable as now they are isolated by a test.    Case counts are not reliable.  I agree John Hopkins is the place to view the data. 

[dreaminofcruisin]

Back to the topic at hand....

Virgin Voyages Eliminates Pre-Cruise testing---including in the U.S.!

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27889-virgin-voyages-eliminates-pre-embarkation-covid-19-testing-for-cruises.html

 

c'mon Princess......

😁

[TheSeagoer]

Just now, dreaminofcruisin said:

Back to the topic at hand....

Virgin Voyages Eliminates Pre-Cruise testing---including in the U.S.!

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27889-virgin-voyages-eliminates-pre-embarkation-covid-19-testing-for-cruises.html

 

c'mon Princess......

😁

Someone made a good point that it maybe the ports at certain countries requiring it