Carnival Venezia sailing to Bermuda and Carnival Magic changes in 2023

[shof515]

Bermuda released the 2023 cruise ship scheduled located here: http://www.marops.bm/Documents/Shipping_schedules/2023%20Cruise%20Ship%20Schedule.pdf . In the schedule it has information that carnival has not released to the public yet.. These changes effect the new Carnival Venezia and the Carnival Magic

 

Carnival Venezia:

3 Bermuda sailing out of NYC. Port days is June 17, July 15 and August 12.

These 3 sailings match perfectly the current existing Carnival Magic sailings with a sail date of June 15, July 13 and August 10. If any one is booked on these 3 sailings like me, expect a ship change notification

 

Carnival Magic:

4 Bermuda sailing out of Norfolk. Port days is August 29-31, September 12-14, September 26-28 and October 7

The Magic current cruises out of NYC for end of August and September is canceled. If anyone is sailing during these two months, you will most likely be shifted to the Venezia. The October 7 port day matches the current the October 5 sailing from Norfolk

 

 

With this information this my best guess on what is going to happen:

Venezia will be replacing ALL of Magic sailings out of NYC. If anyone is booked for these cruises next year, it is going to be interesting on how carnival handles shifting everyone to the Venezia and if they will be any other itinerary changes. I would love more 9-10 day cruises out of NYC going to Antigua and Tortola like what they did before.

 

Magic will be doing more cruises out of Norfolk during the summer

[Jamman54]

We have a B2B booked on the Magic out of NYC next September to the Eastern Caribbean and Canada. I was hoping that Carnival was going to have both the Magic and Venezia sailing from NYC next summer, but with this information it doesn't look likely. Not sure about how we will feel if we are switched to the Venezia. I guess time will tell. 😎

[LouChamp]

Unfortunately the shorter the cruise the more drinking and party crowds. I am up for a fun time but am concerned about the shorter cruises. Just my opinion. Have sailed both Carnival and Costa even Costa back in the day.

[jsglow]

I'm not surprised one bit that Carnival is deciding not to port two ships in NYC.  It MAY be that Carnival will be 'test driving' Norfolk to see how that port demand is possibly in preparation for Sunshine down the road.

[toad455]

So the Magic will be in Norfolk all of summer 2023?

[Saint Greg]

12 hours ago, Jamman54 said:

We have a B2B booked on the Magic out of NYC next September to the Eastern Caribbean and Canada. I was hoping that Carnival was going to have both the Magic and Venezia sailing from NYC next summer, but with this information it doesn't look likely. Not sure about how we will feel if we are switched to the Venezia. I guess time will tell. 😎

Yeah that’s not right. If they totally changed it to a carnival ship that would be one thing. But they’re selling it as Costa by Carnival which is supposed to be a different experience. I don’t think they should switch people who booked carnival to costa by carnival. I think those should be separate sailings. 
 

Edited October 30, 2022 by Saint Greg

[SRQbeachgirl]

I was hoping to catch a summer 2023 sailing on Magic, but guess that won't happen now. There's no way I'm going to Norfolk when I have four ports within a 3.5 hour driving distance. Good news for my Virginia friends though, as they're getting a great ship.

[sra12574]

The  Costa   ship  is a  Vista  class  ship  but im  assuming  they  wont  be  putting  typical  Carnival  venues  like Guys, Blue  Iguana , and  Red Frog . Hopefully  what  it  does  offer  gives  people  a  nice  change  of  pace  though . Does  anyone  know  if  bookings  on the  2  costa  ships  other  then the  Luminosa  will  count  as  days  sailed  on Carnival  for  Vip status.?

[tidecat]

24 minutes ago, sra12574 said:

The  Costa   ship  is a  Vista  class  ship  but im  assuming  they  wont  be  putting  typical  Carnival  venues  like Guys, Blue  Iguana , and  Red Frog . Hopefully  what  it  does  offer  gives  people  a  nice  change  of  pace  though . Does  anyone  know  if  bookings  on the  2  costa  ships  other  then the  Luminosa  will  count  as  days  sailed  on Carnival  for  Vip status.?

Yes, they will count for Carnival VIFP status. Carnival has been consistent with that message the entire time. These sailings are being sold by Carnival, not by Costa.

[Jamman54]

1 hour ago, Saint Greg said:

Yeah that’s not right. If they totally changed it to a carnival ship that would be one thing. But they’re selling it as Costa by Carnival which is supposed to be a different experience. I don’t think they should switch people who booked carnival to costa by carnival. I think those should be separate sailings. 
 

To us a Vista Class ship is really a "Sunshined" Dream Class ship. It is on the same platform except that they added about 60' to the stern to support the Havana area on Deck 5. That Havana area is the only reason for us to book that class of ship. The Venezia doesn't have a Havana area, so that's our quandry. We had the same bowling alley balcony for our B2B on the Magic, so if they assign us to the bowling alley balconies on the Venezia, we still may go. Got to think about it. 😎

[kwokpot]

2 hours ago, Jamman54 said:

To us a Vista Class ship is really a "Sunshined" Dream Class ship. It is on the same platform except that they added about 60' to the stern to support the Havana area on Deck 5. That Havana area is the only reason for us to book that class of ship. The Venezia doesn't have a Havana area, so that's our quandry. We had the same bowling alley balcony for our B2B on the Magic, so if they assign us to the bowling alley balconies on the Venezia, we still may go. Got to think about it. 😎

Just remember the design of the Venezia doesn't remotely look like any Carnival Vista class ship. Tbh it looks more like the Venetian Las Vegas casino and hotel than anything Carnival designs. 

[Jamman54]

14 minutes ago, kwokpot said:

Just remember the design of the Venezia doesn't remotely look like any Carnival Vista class ship. Tbh it looks more like the Venetian Las Vegas casino and hotel than anything Carnival designs. 

That's my concern. 😎

[CruiseAdict218]

Well if Venezia starts to pop up in any Bahamas/Caribbean ports prior to the first Bermuda cruise, we’ll know if she replaces Magic. Magic could just do a small NYC season and head to Norfolk earlier. 
 

However, I do agree with the comments that the two should have been kept separate but I don’t think a Dream & Vista Class in NYC would do well either. 

[iriecruising]

5 hours ago, Jamman54 said:

To us a Vista Class ship is really a "Sunshined" Dream Class ship. It is on the same platform except that they added about 60' to the stern to support the Havana area on Deck 5. That Havana area is the only reason for us to book that class of ship. The Venezia doesn't have a Havana area, so that's our quandry. We had the same bowling alley balcony for our B2B on the Magic, so if they assign us to the bowling alley balconies on the Venezia, we still may go. Got to think about it. 😎

What is a bowling alley balcony? Do you mind me asking which staterooms offer this? I had a very long narrow balcony towards the front of the ship on legend that I loved. Not sure if this is what you are speaking of but would love to know what other ships have them!! Thanks!!

 

 

Edited October 30, 2022 by iriecruising

[Jamman54]

27 minutes ago, iriecruising said:

What is a bowling alley balcony? Do you mind me asking which staterooms offer this? I had a very long narrow balcony towards the front of the ship on legend that I loved. Not sure if this is what you are speaking of but would love to know what other ships have them!! Thanks!!

 

 

The bowling alley balconies on the Dream and Vista classes are all the way aft on decks 6,7,& 8 next to the aft wraps. 😎

[shof515]

24 minutes ago, CruiseAdict218 said:

Well if Venezia starts to pop up in any Bahamas/Caribbean ports prior to the first Bermuda cruise, we’ll know if she replaces Magic. Magic could just do a small NYC season and head to Norfolk earlier. 
 

 

The Magic is in Port Canaveral until the middle of may. In the middle of may to the middle of June, the Magic does cruises from Norfolk. After a month of Norfolk cruises she heads to New York for the summer then returns to Norfolk at the end of September

 

all of the news articles i can find about the Venezia says the ship will beginning sailing out of NYC sometime in the spring most likely in April/May

 

It seem logical for the Magic to remain in Norfolk for the summer and do not return back to NYC

 

 

i think having 2 ships out of NYC can work well but they needs to be better itinerary sailing out of here instead of the same itinerary they do every year. Have one ship do the traditional itinerary and another ship with more unique itineraries. The two that come my mind is the Vista NY inaugural cruise that went to San Juan, St Thomas, Antigua and St Maarten and then a few years ago the Sunrise did this itinerary: San Juan, Tortola, St Thomas, St Maarten

 

[CruiseAdict218]

10 minutes ago, shof515 said:

 

The Magic is in Port Canaveral until the middle of may. In the middle of may to the middle of June, the Magic does cruises from Norfolk. After a month of Norfolk cruises she heads to New York for the summer then returns to Norfolk at the end of September

 

all of the news articles i can find about the Venezia says the ship will beginning sailing out of NYC sometime in the spring most likely in April/May

 

It seem logical for the Magic to remain in Norfolk for the summer and do not return back to NYC

 

 

i think having 2 ships out of NYC can work well but they needs to be better itinerary sailing out of here instead of the same itinerary they do every year. Have one ship do the traditional itinerary and another ship with more unique itineraries. The two that come my mind is the Vista NY inaugural cruise that went to San Juan, St Thomas, Antigua and St Maarten and then a few years ago the Sunrise did this itinerary: San Juan, Tortola, St Thomas, St Maarten

 

They definitely need some better itineraries, especially come the winter time than those 8 Days to PC/Nassau and Freeport. Doesn’t help Bermuda is limited either. 
 

But I think she may come a little earlier, she exits Costa service on December 1, and then will head to dry dock sometime after, the other question will be do you think she comes over empty or will they sell a T/A? 

[nanamobo]

I just booked 4 cabins for our family on the Carnival Magic for July 13-17 2023. I would think if the Carnival Magic was being replaced by another ship I hope the manager I spoke with today would tell me. Is Costa owned by Carnival? 
 

Maureen

[Saint Greg]

24 minutes ago, nanamobo said:

I just booked 4 cabins for our family on the Carnival Magic for July 13-17 2023. I would think if the Carnival Magic was being replaced by another ship I hope the manager I spoke with today would tell me. Is Costa owned by Carnival? 
 

Maureen

Yes.

[Saint Greg]

26 minutes ago, nanamobo said:

I just booked 4 cabins for our family on the Carnival Magic for July 13-17 2023. I would think if the Carnival Magic was being replaced by another ship I hope the manager I spoke with today would tell me. Is Costa owned by Carnival? 
 

Maureen

Carnival does these things…and they tell us when they’re ready. I booked Freedom to Alaska. They changed me to Splendor. That sailing didn’t have any 4J cabins available that weren’t accessible so they assigned me a spa interior. I ended up moving my cruise up a week to get the room type I originally booked. So it wouldn’t surprise me if they change ships. The fact that it’s such a radical change…To a different brand is what would surprise me.

[CruiseAdict218]

From John’s interview with Christine: Bookings open on November 14, and does include a T/A, Barcelona to NYC and is staying year round for the time being. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by CruiseAdict218