Vaping "test" over?

[the penguins]

1 hour ago, wrk2cruise said:

 

I don't believe for a minute this was related to customer feedback.  Just look at how the ships are selling.  Suites and Aqua sell out quickly so they can demand the AI in those categories.  Lower categories generally have lots of empty cabins until after final payment.  They have to have the cruise only fares to sell these cabins.  LIke everything else it's about $$$, nothing to do with listening to the customer.

It's the passengers that provide the $$$.

The reaction against compolsary AI was so great that when cruising restarted the CC hosts on board had to report daily on the issue rather than at the end of each cruise. Many passengers cancelled including ourselves. The compolsary AI also impacted single passengers forcing them to pay 2 times grats, 2 times internet and 2 times drinks packages.

Elite + and above who didn't drink alcohol were also disproportionately affected.

X admitted in an message in the December after the introduction that they realised that not everyone wanted or needed a drinks package nor unlimited WiFi and they were working to the correct the matter which they did the following September. 

Yes the ships are now selling at high capacity but not with compolsary AI in every cabin.

 

[the penguins]

On 8/24/2023 at 10:28 PM, Cruise till you drop said:

What site was that on ?  How official was that information ?  

I guess I’m a pessimist and believe that this will be rolled out fleet wide at some point

 

 

[the penguins]

On 8/24/2023 at 10:28 PM, Cruise till you drop said:

What site was that on ?  How official was that information ?  

I guess I’m a pessimist and believe that this will be rolled out fleet wide at some point

 

 

Even if X wanted to do it it's not possible as, for example, it's already banned in indoor spaces on any ship sailing from the UK, and I believe someone posted in sailings from Canada and more countries are likely to follow.

[rmedistro]

On 8/20/2023 at 4:01 PM, hcat said:

new studies on vaping are scary!

def not a healthy alt to trad smoking for those who vape and others who get the 2nd hand effects..

What NEW studies? The FDA finally admitted just a couple weeks ago that vaping is a 90% harm reduction compared to combustible tobacco! Just because you read it on the Internet, doesn't make it true.

There is a reason the brits are so far ahead of the US in terms of reducing combustible tobacco use in the UK. I suggest you read some studies from The Royal College of Physicians. The UK is a decade ahead of the rest of the world in vapor product research.  UK even allows vaping in hospitals!

 

There is no such thing as second hand effects. The only substances exhaled are water vapor particles. And as for heavy metals, if you test a device at 10x's the temperature of it's operating limit, bad things will happen..  I digress to dropping a Ferrari engine in a Ford Focus, and attempting 200+ MPH.

 

The CDC posted the Evali vaping scare in 2018. Turned out it was black market marijuana, and not nicotine vapor. CDC retracted, but one has to look really hard to find the truth!

 

Media hype get's eyeballs, it doesn't mean it's the Gospel, or even anything close to accurate!

[d9704011]

11 minutes ago, rmedistro said:

The FDA finally admitted just a couple weeks ago that vaping is a 90% harm reduction compared to combustible tobacco! Just because you read it on the Internet, doesn't make it true.

Can you post a reliable source for this claim?

[rmedistro]

9 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Can you post a reliable source for this claim?

https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/ctp-director-discusses-opportunities-and-considerations-addressing-misperceptions-about-relative

 

It only took the FDA 14 years to admit vapor products are less harmful than cigarettes!

[phoenix_dream]

1 hour ago, rmedistro said:

https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/ctp-director-discusses-opportunities-and-considerations-addressing-misperceptions-about-relative

 

It only took the FDA 14 years to admit vapor products are less harmful than cigarettes!

Maybe you missed this part of the article:  "While there are no safe tobacco products....".  

 

[rmedistro]

6 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

Maybe you missed this part of the article:  "While there are no safe tobacco products....".  

 

That's FDA language for admitting they haven't done the same research as the Brits Royal College of Physicians.  I have been on the business side of this industry for 14 years. We're well versed in FDA double speak. 🙂  Remember, the FDA is the organization that rush approved Oxycontin and look where that got us. Millions of opiate addicts, many overdose deaths, and billions in taxpayer expense.

[The_Big_M]

2 hours ago, rmedistro said:

What NEW studies? The FDA finally admitted just a couple weeks ago that vaping is a 90% harm reduction compared to combustible tobacco! Just because you read it on the Internet, doesn't make it true.

 

... .With Exhibit A your opening line.

 

The evidence you give (CTP Director Discusses Opportunities and Considerations for Addressing Misperceptions About the Relative Risks of Tobacco Products Among Adults Who Smoke | FDA)

has no reference to 90%. Further this doesn't even make sense but looks to imply it's only 10% of the damage of traditional smoking. Which is definitely not said in the article. 

 

All it says is e-cigarettes are less harmful than traditional cigarettes....which could just as equally mean they do 99% of the damage of traditional smoking.

 

 

[The_Big_M]

1 hour ago, rmedistro said:

 Remember, the FDA is the organization that rush approved Oxycontin and look where that got us. Millions of opiate addicts, many overdose deaths, and billions in taxpayer expense.

 

Oh, look making such glib, sweeping generalisations. I could just as easily say "Remember, the tobacco industry, behind e-cigarettes, are the companies that falsely spruiked cigarettes and look where that got us. Millions of tobacco addicts, many cancerous deaths, and billions in taxpayer expense from medical care of those cancer patients. Plus the massive economic losses from all the detrimental health impacts."

Edited September 12, 2023 by The_Big_M

[NutsAboutGolf]

Even though Vaping is now gone from X, I asked Gus what he thought, he said:

 

"This conversation serves no purpose”

Edited September 12, 2023 by NutsAboutGolf