Cruiscs Posted August 27 #251 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, RichYak said: Even M-class ships are far too big to be premium. Beyond and Ascent are nearing 4000 at maximum capacity. Celebrity is firmly entrenched in the mass market category. Your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #252 Share Posted August 27 I don’t consider Celebrity a luxury line. Maybe premium. We don’t like the limited entertainment on small ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted August 27 #253 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, RichYak said: Even M-class ships are far too big to be premium. Beyond and Ascent are nearing 4000 at maximum capacity. Celebrity is firmly entrenched in the mass market category. If 'premium' implies itineraries that are only possible in smaller ships, I'd agree, but that's not been where I've been drawing a line in the past. You can sail a larger ship and still provide a premium experience. Silversea is already getting closer to that with the Nova and Ray ships. They're sized somewhere in between the old X Horizon and Century class ships, but with less than 1/2 the number of passengers of either. Check the pax:crew ratio for Silversea! It's that last number that says a great deal about the difference between a mainstream market line and premium or above. Horizon Century Ray GT 47413 71545 54700 PAX 1828 1814 728 CREW 620 843 556 PAX:CREW 2.9 2.1 1.3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted August 27 #254 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, Cruiscs said: Your opinion Of course it is. But it is based in reality. Here's where I would put all the cruise lines that come to mind: Luxury - Seabourn, SilverSea, Regent, Ritz Carlton Premium - Azamara, Cunard, Explora, Oceania, Viking Mass Mkt - Carnival, Celebrity, Disney, HAL, NCL, Princess, MSC, Royal, Virgin 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted August 27 #255 Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, canderson said: If 'premium' implies itineraries that are only possible in smaller ships, I'd agree, but that's not been where I've been drawing a line in the past. You can sail a larger ship and still provide a premium experience Sure. Retreat, YC, Haven, etc are all premium experiences, but you're still sailing with a mass market cruise line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PTC DAWG Posted August 27 #256 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 19 minutes ago, zitsky said: I don’t consider Celebrity a luxury line. Maybe premium. We don’t like the limited entertainment on small ships. This..I would be bored to death..choices are good though. To me it gets old with some here telling me everything about Celebrity I’m not supposed to like.. Edited August 27 by PTC DAWG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #257 Share Posted August 27 25 minutes ago, canderson said: If 'premium' implies itineraries that are only possible in smaller ships, I'd agree, but that's not been where I've been drawing a line in the past. You can sail a larger ship and still provide a premium experience. Silversea is already getting closer to that with the Nova and Ray ships. They're sized somewhere in between the old X Horizon and Century class ships, but with less than 1/2 the number of passengers of either. Check the pax:crew ratio for Silversea! It's that last number that says a great deal about the difference between a mainstream market line and premium or above. Horizon Century Ray GT 47413 71545 54700 PAX 1828 1814 728 CREW 620 843 556 PAX:CREW 2.9 2.1 1.3 Do Horizon and Century ships have theater shows? If not what is the entertainment like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Honolulu Blue Posted August 27 #258 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, PIC33 said: We had a voicemail last night from Guest Services saying they had forwarded my comments to corporate. They also said that as a goodwill gesture they sent a bottle of wine to our room, and a schedule of the Sky Lounge hours for this cruise. See photos below of their peace offering. Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you got a consolation prize and some information. My opinion is they should put a sign out front of the Sky Lounge with this information AND a note about the Sky Lounge's open hours on each cruise given to each passenger OR a note in the newsletter for each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #259 Share Posted August 27 Imagine if you were in the Retreat and they dedicated the lounge for art auctions the entire cruise. No one should have to deal with this regardless of how much they paid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PTC DAWG Posted August 27 #260 Share Posted August 27 15 minutes ago, zitsky said: Imagine if you were in the Retreat and they dedicated the lounge for art auctions the entire cruise. No one should have to deal with this regardless of how much they paid. I think we are all in agreement…I sometimes peruse the art in the halls after a drink or 4. I have seen some cool Rolling Stones things… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted August 27 #261 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, RichYak said: Sure. Retreat, YC, Haven, etc are all premium experiences, but you're still sailing with a mass market cruise line. ? I'm talking about entire 'premium' ships, not some subset of cabin class that offer a 'premium experience'. I'm arguing that it's not necessary to have tiny ships to have a premium line. It's almost irrelevant apart from itinerary limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #262 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, PTC DAWG said: I think we are all in agreement…I sometimes peruse the art in the halls after a drink or 4. I have seen some cool Rolling Stones things… I think the current Park West setup is great for the most part. I can browse the art and I don’t mind if they display it all over the ship. I think it was Beyond where the World Class Bar was close to PW auctions. Or is that Eclipse? That could be annoying. One of our oldest works of art is a signed lithograph we bought when we were right out of college and didn’t have much money for art. So I don’t have a problem if people want to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #263 Share Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, canderson said: ? I'm talking about entire 'premium' ships, not some subset of cabin class that offer a 'premium experience'. I'm arguing that it's not necessary to have tiny ships to have a premium line. It's almost irrelevant apart from itinerary limitations. I’m just afraid that I’ll cruise on a luxury line and no one wants to talk to me because I don’t have a Rolls Royce, or any Grey Poupon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted August 27 #264 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, zitsky said: I’m just afraid that I’ll cruise on a luxury line and no one wants to talk to me because I don’t have a Rolls Royce, or any Grey Poupon. Behave yourself like everyone else and neither you nor they will know what you all drive. Go in with that enormous chip on your shoulder and you'd be correct ... no one will want to talk to you. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #265 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, canderson said: Behave yourself like everyone else and neither you nor they will know what you all drive. Go in with that enormous chip on your shoulder and you'd be correct ... no one will want to talk to you. Well if they are humorless and don’t WANT to know what I drive, then I’ll probably be happier on Celebrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oville Posted August 27 #266 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, zitsky said: Well if they are humorless and don’t WANT to know what I drive, then I’ll probably be happier on Celebrity. Truth is people riding in those kind of cars are probably taking more exotic vacations than joining the masses on cruise ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted August 27 #267 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, Oville said: Truth is people riding in those kind of cars are probably taking more exotic vacations than joining the masses on cruise ships. Or perhaps some just enjoy cruising? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oville Posted August 27 #268 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, canderson said: Or perhaps some just enjoy cruising? Yes on their own yachts. We are so off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted August 27 #269 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, Oville said: Yes on their own yachts. We are so off topic. Do “luxury” lines close off areas of the ship to host art auctions for their big spenders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oville Posted August 27 #270 Share Posted August 27 Just now, zitsky said: Do “luxury” lines close off areas of the ship to host art auctions for their big spenders? How would I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted August 27 #271 Share Posted August 27 55 minutes ago, canderson said: ? I'm talking about entire 'premium' ships, not some subset of cabin class that offer a 'premium experience'. I'm arguing that it's not necessary to have tiny ships to have a premium line. It's almost irrelevant apart from itinerary limitations. Are we playing pretend imagination games? Or can you give me an example of such a line? I'm talking primarily about guest capacity--not ship tonnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted August 27 #272 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, RichYak said: Are we playing pretend imagination games? Or can you give me an example of such a line? I'm talking primarily about guest capacity--not ship tonnage. Answering my own question, I'd say Cunard probably comes the closest to matching that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted August 27 #273 Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, RichYak said: Of course it is. But it is based in reality. Here's where I would put all the cruise lines that come to mind: Luxury - Seabourn, SilverSea, Regent, Ritz Carlton Premium - Azamara, Cunard, Explora, Oceania, Viking Mass Mkt - Carnival, Celebrity, Disney, HAL, NCL, Princess, MSC, Royal, Virgin how on earth does Cunard qualify as Premium? It is not like any of the other lines you have listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted August 27 #274 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, the penguins said: how on earth does Cunard qualify as Premium? It is not like any of the other lines you have listed. You're right, it's probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Anne Posted August 27 #275 Share Posted August 27 Just got off Cunard's Queen Anne. There was nothing premium about the ship and cruise. I'll be sharing a comparison to Celebrity soon. But back to the topic of this thread .... Groups often occupy public spaces on ships for relatively short periods of time (2 - 3 hours typically) but I've never seen an area like the Sky Lounge closed so often and for so long most days. It's extremely unfair to paying passengers and I'd be upset if it happened on a cruise I was on. I really think it's time that cruise lines disclose the groups on board (say over 50 cabins for example) their ships along with the impact (public spaces closed for extended periods each day) as well as the type of group so guests can choose to make a change if they'd like. But this will likely never happen. I've been on ships with large groups (I've even been part of some of them). Some have had no impact on my cruise while others have created some annoyances. Would have been nice to know ahead of time. 17 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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