PSA: Labadee is scheduled to reopen on October 8.

[notscb]

10 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

 

If you have a morale issue with the visit, insights you not travel at all, even to many major US cities. 

I do have moral issues with Royal resuming visits there, I don't expect everyone else to agree with me by any means but I think the point needs to be raised.

 

Also, in what major U.S. city are citizens being forcefully displaced by violence and murdered en masse? There's zero comparison here and it's a shameful comparison that minimizes the violence the people of Haiti are actively experiencing.

[not-enough-cruising]

32 minutes ago, notscb said:

I do have moral issues with Royal resuming visits there, I don't expect everyone else to agree with me by any means but I think the point needs to be raised.

 

Also, in what major U.S. city are citizens being forcefully displaced by violence and murdered en masse? There's zero comparison here and it's a shameful comparison that minimizes the violence the people of Haiti are actively experiencing.

And not stopping there changes nothing; however it certainly seems you should stay away.

[notscb]

7 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

And not stopping there changes nothing

Royal taking their economic weight elsewhere changes nothing at all? Sure.

[not-enough-cruising]

8 minutes ago, notscb said:

Royal taking their economic weight elsewhere changes nothing at all? Sure.

The only thing that it changes is a DRASTIC reduction in the quality of life to the residents of the peninsula.

Royal continues to make the lease payments to the government, whether they stop there or not.

[nelblu]

1 hour ago, notscb said:

morally reprehensible about a private company bringing folks to relax in "paradise" while the people of that "paradise" are being brutally displaced, attacked and murdered in the next major city over.

You can boycott/not sail Royal or buy shares in company and vote the board out.

[orville99]

1 hour ago, notscb said:

Also, in what major U.S. city are citizens being forcefully displaced by violence and murdered en masse?

Chicago and NYC come to mind…

[sfaaa]

If Labadee is indeed safe as claimed, why did RCCL feel the need to post armed guards packing AKs (as per a few posters) even before the current shutdown?

[notscb]

39 minutes ago, orville99 said:

Chicago and NYC come to mind

Only if you believe what Fox News tells you.

[notscb]

50 minutes ago, nelblu said:

You can boycott/not sail Royal or buy shares in company and vote the board out.

OK.

[notscb]

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

The only thing that it changes is a DRASTIC reduction in the quality of life to the residents of the peninsula.

I'm sure there's been a change for the local residents, also caused by the literal gang war their country is experiencing. FWIW, Royal makes enough in profit to support those folks if they really cared about them.

 

When Royal and other cruise lines stop calling on certain ports, it puts a lot of pressure on local governments to clean things up, we saw as much not too long ago in Ensanada.

 

Again, I expect to be in the minority opinion (especially on these boards) when I say it's disgusting that Royal is going back in the midst of what's happening there.

Edited 10 hours ago by notscb

[smokeybandit]

2 minutes ago, notscb said:

FWIW, Royal makes enough in profit to support those folks if they really cared about them

RC has been supporting them all this time by continuing to deliver critical supplies

[notscb]

4 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

RC has been supporting them all this time by continuing to deliver critical supplies

That'd be great if true- do you have a source for that?

[smokeybandit]

1 minute ago, notscb said:

That'd be great if true- do you have a source for that?

-A captain on Adventure said at a captain's corner back in March that they would continue to deliver fuel and supplies.

-My wife was on a cruise in June where they stopped for a couple hours at Labadee to unload supplies.

 

[JP350]

4 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

-A captain on Adventure said at a captain's corner back in March that they would continue to deliver fuel and supplies.

-My wife was on a cruise in June where they stopped for a couple hours at Labadee to unload supplies.

 

That's great to hear from Royal!

[orville99]

54 minutes ago, notscb said:

Only if you believe what Fox News tells you.

Don’t watch Fox News.

[A&L_Ont]

There was someone here on the RC boards that has been on a ship that stopped a few times at night to drop off supplies at Labadee, since they stopped sailing there. I wish I could remember who it was.  If I remember the ship was Adventure, but I’m going from memory.

 

Anyone else remember who it was? @orville99 looking in the search box I think it was you.

[notscb]

37 minutes ago, orville99 said:

1 hour ago, notscb said:

 

Don’t watch Fox News

Who are you trying to convince?

 

There's exactly zero cities in the US where what's happening in Haiti is happening in the US. Your belief otherwise is ignorant.

Edited 9 hours ago by notscb

[not-enough-cruising]

2 hours ago, sfaaa said:

If Labadee is indeed safe as claimed, why did RCCL feel the need to post armed guards packing AKs (as per a few posters) even before the current shutdown?

Those guards have been there for the 10-12 years I have been stopping there.  Nothing new at all.

[Charles4515]

6 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Those guards have been there for the 10-12 years I have been stopping there.  Nothing new at all.

In 1995 I took a walk around Labadee and they had armed guards.  29 years ago. 

[sfaaa]

10 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Those guards have been there for the 10-12 years I have been stopping there.  Nothing new at all.

Yes they were there but why especially with AKs that are designed for war fighting?

[not-enough-cruising]

2 minutes ago, sfaaa said:

Yes they were there but why especially with AKs that are designed for war fighting?

Well, probably because it’s the Haitian military doing the guarding. Makes perfect sense.

Have you ever been to the Eiffel Tower? You’d be shocked, it’s like a demilitarized zone. Same with a lot of airports in the world. Soldiers in public with automatic weapons is not at all odd. 

Edited 9 hours ago by not-enough-cruising

[Charles4515]

4 minutes ago, sfaaa said:

Yes they were there but why especially with AKs that are designed for war fighting?

Why have I seen military with AK type weapons at Penn Station in NewYork? At various places in Washington DC? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Charles4515

[sfaaa]

The answer is pretty obvious isn't it? Security is a concern. There is no point whitewashing or sugarcoating it.

[Ken at the beach]

19 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Have you ever been to the Eiffel Tower?

That was a bit of an eye opener.  Totally was not prepared to see that.

[Charles4515]

18 minutes ago, sfaaa said:

The answer is pretty obvious isn't it? Security is a concern. There is no point whitewashing or sugarcoating it.

Security is a concern a lot of places. When I visited Talin Estonia troops came marching through with automatic weapons.  Outside a ATM across from the cruise ports in Nassau Bahamas there was a guard with an automatic weapon. Nothing has ever happened at Labadee but security exists there is just like it exists at many cruise ports. Some people don’t like seeing security. It scares them. This year there have been a bunch of mass shootings in the US and 2 attempts against a presidential candidate by people with AK type weapons. Nothing can be ruled out even at my local supermarket. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Charles4515