Celebrity makes all cabins nonsmoking

[wolfshadow]

I agree with saveapenny if everyone thinks about this if everyone in this country quits smoking and drinking the economy would collapse the goverment gets so much money in tax revenues from tobbaco and alcohol plus all the people who work in that industry that there would be a complete melt down and everyone else would have to pay for the lost revenues your taxes would sky rocket and everyone will be pissing and moaning just think about it the goverment will not tell you now what the costs would be they are afraid to tell you the truth to save votes all these politicians are full of sh-t only when they get elected they will tell you how screwed you are.

This is the same reasoning with oil. We have all kinds of alternative fuel sources, but we keep getting scr*wd because all of the oil and auto companies that would fold. Those poor little oil magnates, what would they do???

[hajekfam]

I know Zenith is now gone from the Celebrity Fleet but can you tell me where were the balcony's where on her I cruised on her 2 times and there were no balcony cabins thousands more for balcony's NOT

Didn't they put one or two balconies on the Zenith as a test sometime before it went over to Pullmantur -or was it the Horizon? I remember a picture posted of the balcony - it stuck out from the side of the ship and looked quite weird.

[Saveapenny]

Didn't they put one or two balconies on the Zenith as a test sometime before it went over to Pullmantur -or was it the Horizon? I remember a picture posted of the balcony - it stuck out from the side of the ship and looked quite weird.

It as 3 grades now with balconies http://www.pullmanturcruises.com/crucerobritt/zenith.html

BTW I wouldnt advise anyone who doesnt like smoking to go with them they even allow smoking in the dinning room :eek:

[dkjretired]

Didn't they put one or two balconies on the Zenith as a test sometime before it went over to Pullmantur -or was it the Horizon? I remember a picture posted of the balcony - it stuck out from the side of the ship and looked quite weird.

 

That was the Horizon....

[dkjretired]

This is the same reasoning with oil. We have all kinds of alternative fuel sources, but we keep getting scr*wd because all of the oil and auto companies that would fold. Those poor little oil magnates, what would they do???

 

We pay SEVERAL times as much in taxes on a gallon of gas than the oil companies get. Maybe we should get an accounting of that.

[swigso]

[quote name='Blondie007']Sorry I just dont wear that one. I know for a fact, the kind of cigarettes I PERSONALLY smoke do NOT bother non smokers on a balcony! But the point is, right now, YOU have a choice, you are not paying a deposit without prior confirmed knowledge, smokers are! It is likley many of us will forfeit deposits if the rules are change. Also, as we book suites, with travel from the UK, and from within the UK, hotels both post and prior both home and abroad prior to and post cruise, I would bet we spend a great deal more than the average traveller. Thats not to mention the mega mega spend rate we have on board.
I met many lovely non smokers on board our last cruise and never once did I offend them or they me..
Attitude... theres a lot to be said for it.[/quote]

Blondie 007-
I am a non smoker having managed to give up 9 years ago, and I fully agree with you.Most smokers are considerate to others and from my experiences take a great deal of care not to upset people around them smokers or not.
It amazes me that so many write on theses boards about balcony smoke-
how it causes them to have asthma attacks etc and yet cannot wait to visit countries like Turkey and Greece where Smoking is far far worse, even the bar-tenders will be smoking while serving.
I can understand a request though to have 20/30 forward balconies designated non smoking this may allow those who are totally allergic to the fumes to better enjoy their cruise.
I just wish they could move on, and I promissed myself I would not respond to another thread on this topic.
Just to finish having recently come back from a Quest cruise the policy worked well on that ship even though some did smoke on their balconies.

[Saveapenny]

[quote name='Shipyard Cruiser']But I think a smoker is really a drug addict, all be it a legal one.

I agree you should have the same rights as any other drug addict.

Also are you saying that Celebrity is the "Smokers Choice" because of the "more relaxed approach to smoking"?[/quote]
I wouldnt say "All" smokers choice but it was mine

I agree we do need same rights as other addicts (wonders if that was ment to offend :rolleyes: pity I dont offend easy:D )

Mandy

[Drew B]

[quote name='marle7']We seldom go out to eat now, and we used to go at least three times a week. And when we do go now, we don't linger and order coffee and port and maybe a dessert and maybe another port. We spend a lot less money. It's also a bit different, nipping outside for a smoke at a restaurant at 7 at night. I'm not much good in the morning until I've done my coffee and smoke:D and I don't really want to be wandering up 6 decks to go do it and pay thousands of dollars for the privilege into the bargain. :D

I've got my cottage and my motorhome. I can easily stop cruising 4 times a year and spend a lot less in the process.:D A vacation is a far more considered choice when it comes to spending money as opposed to going out to a restaurant. and a lot more money at that. We can't smoke at dinner on cruise ships either and that's not a huge issue. It's a couple of hours at best.

I don't have any problem with them making some bars non smoking. Both cabin and balcony would be a non starter for me, (one or the other would be fine) as would the casino becoming completely non smoking. As it is, I don't frequent the casino on non smoking nights so they lose a fair amount of money from us on those nights. I had a conversation recently with the director of Casino Operations of Royal Caribbean. I told him if they don't mind losing the 6 or seven grand we drop in the casino every cruise, that's ok with us![/quote]


I respect all of that. You have a position. You are clear on what you would be willing to change and what you wouldn't. You are clear on what the result would be if changes were made that you consider unacceptable. That is very important information for the cruise line to have.

Ultimately, it comes down to a numbers game - which policy will allow them to sell more berths at a higher price and allow them to maximize ancillary revenues (alcohol, casino, etc.)? Without some sort of trials (or at the very least, extensive and specific polling), it is hard to determine what the numbers would actually be.

[marle7]

[quote name='Drew B']I respect all of that. You have a position. You are clear on what you would be willing to change and what you wouldn't. You are clear on what the result would be if changes were made that you consider unacceptable. That is very important information for the cruise line to have.

Ultimately, it comes down to a numbers game - which policy will allow them to sell more berths at a higher price and allow them to maximize ancillary revenues (alcohol, casino, etc.)? Without some sort of trials (or at the very least, extensive and specific polling), it is hard to determine what the numbers would actually be.[/QUOTE]


And if they were to do such a poll/survey, I would hope they would ask an equal number of smokers and non smokers. I've said this before, smokers aren't very vocal anymore but we're pretty good at quietly voting with our wallets.:)

Still you're correct. They may watch and see how it goes on Royal Caribbean. Particularly with the cruise lines moving more into Europe, it could cost them major revenue there. As long as they make any policy change well in advance with clear notice and options for cancellations for booked cruisers, heck, it's their ships.:)

[NancyIL]

I booked my first Celebrity cruise for September 2009, and I hope Celebrity makes ALL cabins non-smoking before then.

[Drew B]

[quote name='marle7']As long as they make any policy change well in advance with clear notice and options for cancellations for booked cruisers, heck, it's their ships.:)[/quote]


Agreed. Changing policy without notice or opportunity to cancel without penalty is unacceptable. I've never been on a ship that has had even ONE non-smoking night in the casino, but if I did, I would be breaking out printouts of the written smoking policy and complaining as loudly as I could that we had never been told that we couldn't smoke in the casino, even for one night... It may not change anything, but at least it would get a message across.

[SusieV]

[quote name='Saveapenny']Not in the UK pub, club and restaurants are shutting down left right and centre since the smoking ban
Mandy[/quote]

Here in Canada, even casinos are entirely nonsmoking- you have to go outside to smoke. The place is still mobbed. Forget about restaurants and bars- that battle's over and dead now.

I never used to be able to go out and shoot pool with my friends because of the smoke pall- I'm asthmatic. It's so nice to go out and be able to breathe and not go home with my hair and clothes reeking of smoke. It's even nicer to play poker or blackjack or whatever and not get a headache from the odor.

Forget trying to enjoy a meal in a restaurant- the food just tasted like ashes. Smoking and non smoking sections in a restaurant, unless the smokers were completely enclosed, are like having peeing and non peeing sections in a pool.

[Shipyard Cruiser]

[quote name='SusieV']Here in Canada, even casinos are entirely nonsmoking- you have to go outside to smoke. The place is still mobbed. Forget about restaurants and bars- that battle's over and dead now.

I never used to be able to go out and shoot pool with my friends because of the smoke pall- I'm asthmatic. It's so nice to go out and be able to breathe and not go home with my hair and clothes reeking of smoke. It's even nicer to play poker or blackjack or whatever and not get a headache from the odor.

Forget trying to enjoy a meal in a restaurant- the food just tasted like ashes. Smoking and non smoking sections in a restaurant, unless the smokers were completely enclosed, are like having peeing and non peeing sections in a pool.[/quote]

Another reason why I like Canada so much.:)

[Ardy53]

[quote name='SusieV']Here in Canada, even casinos are entirely nonsmoking- you have to go outside to smoke. The place is still mobbed. Forget about restaurants and bars- that battle's over and dead now.
[/quote]

I was in Australia recently and the casinos are also non-smoking, EXCEPT for the Salon Privè - seems money CAN buy anything !!!

In South Africa, all restaurants may have no more than 1/4 of their seating as smoking, enclosed and separately ventilated. Many don't have smoking sections because of the costs in doing this. When booking, our first question is whether they have a smoking section - if not, we just don't go there.

We are more than happy to be confined to a small "smoking area", but that must include staterooms/balconies too. If these are limited in number, we shall ensure that we book early enough to get one.

As a previous poster said, smokers are a soft target - try hitting on the drinkers or red-meat eaters and see the outcry !!

Roy & Val

[jackdiamond]

Folks, I am a non-smoker, but I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of many other non-smokers who opine without any scientific basis for their attitudes. Simply stated, there is paucity in the way of credible emperical data which supports the hypothesis that moderate exposure to second hand smoke has a longterm deleterious affect upon an individual's health. In other words, someone smoking on the balcony next to you should not cause any serious health problems. As a matter of fact, it probably will cause no health problems.

[JCDeck]

[quote name='jackdiamond']Folks, I am a non-smoker, but I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of many other non-smokers who opine without any scientific basis for their attitudes. Simply stated, there is paucity in the way of credible emperical data which supports the hypothesis that moderate exposure to second hand smoke has a longterm deleterious affect upon an individual's health. In other words, someone smoking on the balcony next to you should not cause any serious health problems. As a matter of fact, it probably will cause no health problems.[/QUOTE]


But it sure will stink and I'm not paying for that!

[claud925]

[quote name='jackdiamond']Folks, I am a non-smoker, but I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of many other non-smokers who opine without any scientific basis for their attitudes. Simply stated, there is paucity in the way of credible emperical data which supports the hypothesis that moderate exposure to second hand smoke has a longterm deleterious affect upon an individual's health. In other words, someone smoking on the balcony next to you should not cause any serious health problems. As a matter of fact, it probably will cause no health problems.[/quote]

The belief of personal, permanent damage as a result of [U]passive[/U] and [U]brief[/U] exposure to secondhand smoke is just a smoke screen (pardon the pun) behind the very real resentment and repugnancy that is felt toward cigarettes and those who smoke.

Please note that I underscored two key caveats in my remark - that is, contact which is passive and brief. Those who believe that there is a health danger in connection to chronic and close personal contact over a prolonged period to secondhand smoke would have an excellent argument.

[usha]

[quote name='jackdiamond']Folks, I am a non-smoker, but I never cease to be amazed by the attitude of many other non-smokers who opine without any scientific basis for their attitudes. Simply stated, there is paucity in the way of credible emperical data which supports the hypothesis that moderate exposure to second hand smoke has a longterm deleterious affect upon an individual's health. In other words, someone smoking on the balcony next to you should not cause any serious health problems. As a matter of fact, it probably will cause no health problems.[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=magenta]The American Lung Association would beg to differ:[/COLOR][/FONT]
[URL]http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422[/URL]

[JCDeck]

[quote name='claud925']The belief of personal, permanent damage as a result of [U]passive[/U] and [U]brief[/U] exposure to secondhand smoke is just a smoke screen (pardon the pun) behind the very real resentment and repugnancy that is felt toward cigarettes and those who smoke.

Please note that I underscored two key caveats in my remark - that is, contact which is passive and brief. Those who believe that there is a health danger in connection to chronic and close personal contact over a prolonged period to secondhand smoke would have an excellent argument.[/QUOTE]

You're so cool:cool:

[Goofyisme]

[quote name='usha'][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=magenta]The American Lung Association would beg to differ:[/COLOR][/FONT]
[URL]http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422[/URL][/QUOTE]

My only problem with this is there is no level of exposure stated. What were the levels used during the studies which led to this conclusion.

I don't smoke. I have no doubt that prolonged exposure to second hand smoke increases the risk of lung cancer (again not sure what definition of long is) also sure prolonged exposure to many many other things carry the same risk. I wish the entire world was non smoking but also wish that advocates of non smoking laws and rules would do so responsibly instead of overstating the results of studies.

[marle7]

[quote name='JCDeck']But it sure will stink and I'm not paying for that![/QUOTE]

Then, knowing what the current rules are, you are making a concious choice to "pay for that". You can always book Azamara or Oceana or a couple of other ones that don't allow smoking on balconies.

Most smokers are courteous. We go out of our way to try not to offend non smokers. The unfortunate reality is that will never be enough for a fanatic. I don't do fanatics in any form for any cause.

[usha]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=magenta]Goofyisme, the last paragraph is pretty clear.[/COLOR][/FONT]

"The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to second hand smoke. Short exposures to second hand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack."

[Jerseygirl13]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue]As an Elite Captain's Club smoking Celebrity member, I called Captain's Club to verify that had not changed their current policy.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue]They stated there have been no changes, nor are any anticipated in the future. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue]You should understand Celebrity has a great deal of European passengers and yes, even American passengers like myself, who enjoy a cigarette with a drink. As far as the cabin smoke is concerned, your steward didn't do a proper job. You can "de-smoke" any cabin very easily with Febreeze and new linens. Only the most incredibly allergic people could notice after a proper cleaning. In which case, they should book "non-smoking" sailings and ships.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkslateblue]I try to live and let live...and I believe Celebrity does realize they would lose a great deal of long time customers such as myself, if they completely banned smoking on the ship. I think the current policy is fair and reasonable.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
:)

[JCDeck]

snore:rolleyes:

[gracecarmo]

Here is a policy that MSC just made, re the Caribbean voyages, (and maybe all voyages?)[url]http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=750140[/url]

They are an Italian brand, and the CEO is Rick Sasso, former CEO of X. We are trying MSC in 09. (Class reunion cruise). We are on the new Orchestra, and it looks like a beautiful ship.

Prior to booking, everyone knew of the restrictions.