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Sad to some, perhaps. They have to be forward thinking. Who is the next customer. The reality is the current crop of Boomers and Silent Gen will phase out of cruising, perhaps sooner than later. All it takes is one loss, a medical mishap or a hit to the finances and they are gone. A new crop of 'older and loyal' customers is what they are aiming to build. Edge class ships will be around in 20 years. Many of the Boomers/Silent Gen aged pax will not be. One a seven night Caribbean cruise nearly half of the passengers are Boomers (47%). That seems like a lot. However 43% are Gen X/Millennials/Gen Z. That number is what needs to continue to grow. Things will change. Boomers don't cruise the same way their parents did in the 60's and 70's and the Millennials and younger don't cruise the same way their parents did in the 80's and 90's.

Quoting myself for context - too late to edit. Interestingly, outstanding FCC's for the same quarter were: 2023 .4 billion 2022 .6 billion 2021 1 billion A lot of that FCC was eaten up after the return to service between 2021 and 2022 then hit a wall between 2022 and today.

Savings of up to 50% are now available on drinks, photo, Wi-Fi, shore excursions, dining and more! Sale Dates: Thursday, August 3, 2023 – Monday, August 7, 2023 Sailing Window: Select Sailings from August 11, 2023 – October 30, 2023 *Offer applies to bookings made between August 2, 2023 – August 7, 2023 (“Offer Period”), and applies to select sailings departing August 11, 2023 – October 30, 2023, excluding chartered sailings (the “Offer Cruise”). Dive Into Savings (“Offer”) provides per person savings on select new purchases of Drink Packages, Shore Excursions, Specialty Dining, Wi-Fi, Photo, Gifts & Gear, Casino and EFFY Jewelry, and varies by product, ship, and length of voyage. Drinks provides up to 50% in savings: 30% on classic and premium drink packages and 50% on upgrade to premium packages, Shore Excursions provides up to 40% in savings and excludes Private Journeys, Helicopter Tours, Transfers, Inside Access ship tours, Airplane/plane tours, Captain’s Club tours, Sailings with deployment changes, Charter and Holiday sailings, overnight stays, Extend Your Stay, Multi-day Adventures, and tours with less than 5 tickets; Specialty Dining provides up to 20% in savings and excludes Christmas and NYE Holiday sailings; Wi-Fi provides up to 50% in savings: 25% on Premium Wi-Fi Packages and 50% on Upgrade to Premium Wi-Fi Packages and excludes Celebrity Infinity sailings; Photo provides up to 60% in savings; Gift & Gear provides up to 25% in savings and excludes select products; Casino provides up to 30% in savings and EFFY Jewelry provides up to 35% in savings. Price shown at time of purchase reflects savings. Additional fees may apply to booking changes or cancellations. Shore Excursions can be cancelled or modified up to 24 hours prior to scheduled tour departure for a full refund, excluding tours involving flights, trains, special events, overnight stays, hotel stays, Multi-day Adventures and Private Journeys. Cancellations will be refunded in the original form of payment; onboard credits will be applied to guest’s account, and credit card, debit card, or other form of cash equivalent payments will be credited back to the original form of payment within 30 days. Offer will not be available onboard and is non-transferable or combinable with Captain Club discounts or any other offer or promotion. VAT is included in price where applicable. Offer is subject to availability and change without notice and may be withdrawn at any time. Celebrity reserves the right to cancel the Offer at any time, correct any errors, inaccuracies, or omissions, and change or update fares, fees and surcharges at any time without prior notice ©2023 Celebrity Cruises Inc. Ships’ registry: Malta and Ecuador.

Outstanding FCC's are .4 billion compared to 5.67 billion in regular customer deposits. COVID FCC's no longer expire.

The increase to 20% was mentioned in the same document that discussed the increase to the daily gratuities as of July 11th.

Princess pretty much gutted included dining outside of the MDR and buffet. Now everything is a la cart or you need to upgrade to a $60 or $80 pp/pd bundled extras package to have it included.

I think you may be overthinking this. You don't need to give them specific instructions for the very basic frozen drinks you have listed. They make hundreds of them a day and they rarely measure anything. If one bar tender doesn't recognize it, they will ask a peer. I would not expect fresh fruit in many of your drinks either. They use the basic Island Oasis mixes and standard bar fruit (lemon, lime, orange, cherries, mint, maybe basil). If there is a menu item that has a specific ingredient, they may be willing use it in another drink. Or just ask for a recommendation. In my experience on the ships with a Slush bar they do want you to stick to the menu. The line can also be very long since it's rarely open. If you want something off menu they'd prefer you to go a regular bar elsewhere.

I usually stay out of these threads due to the lack of unverified fluff that gets thrown as fact, but what I do know... There is a TA call (that has been scheduled for a few weeks) the on August 15th. On the technology front, in early 2022 there was a suite program in beta testing for all suite categories that allowed you to text your Personal Retreat Host (as it was named at the time). There hasn't been any mention of it in a while. I do hope they would incorporate something along those lines into your access to this new team.

You can find photos on google. The design on Beyond is different than Edge. They are reserved for groups of 2 or 4. If you have a 2 person there is a slatted divider separating the cabana in half. You’re on the pool deck so I would have no expectation of ‘privacy’.

Totally incorrect. Recent privacy laws almost always pertain to the location of the customer, not the location of the business. There are many regulations, state and federal. In the US the FTC says COPPA for applies to "all Foreign-based websites and online services must comply with COPPA if they are directed to children in the United States, or if they knowingly collect personal information from children in the U.S. The law’s definition of “operator” includes foreign-based websites and online services that are involved in commerce in the United States or its territories. On a larger scale the EU's GDPR applies to those "who are located in the EEA (European Economic Area), and applies to any enterprise—regardless of its location and the data subjects' citizenship or residence—that is processing the personal information of individuals inside the EEA.

There are two different discussions going on. The question was are suites available with a cruise only rate, which the answer to that question is no. The other discussion about an error isn't really related - however anyone in a suite as a result of a MoveUp bid would have classic drinks and basic Wifi unless they upgraded separately.

There is no such thing as a partial charter. It's a group booked under the usual rates or a full ship charter. No in-between. Full ship charter clients customize what they want to include or resale.

Eh, yes. There are group rates and discounted group rates. Two different things. To get the cruise only fare you would have to book the cruise on your own via Celebrity then transfer to an agent willing to add it to a group.

There are no suite rates that do not include drinks, Wifi and gratuities. It's totally normal for the TA to offer additional OBC. And before someone says it, they are not "sharing their commission". There are a number of offers from Celebrity that are specific to TA's that include extra OBC.

It’s a legal issue. There are all sorts of privacy laws, specific laws that pertain to children’s personal information, state specific laws, the need to be able to accept T&C’s, etc.

This isn't necessarily true for all circumstances or even for all tickets with this airline.I would not put any faith in what the FBC phone agents say. This sounds like one of two things. Either your flight is not ticketed yet which is likely since you are outside of final payment, or you have a fare like a Basic Economy fare that doesn't allow you to check in or select seats. From the Vueling website: If you choose the Basic Fare and don't add seat selection to your booking, you won’t have instant online check-in included. What does that mean? Will you have to pay to do it? No, it just means that you’ll have to wait until 7 days or 24 hours before the departure of your flight (check it at check-in) to check in online at no extra cost. Then you’ll be able to access your booking to check in online: you’ll be allocated random seats without having to pay extra, and you’ll get your boarding passes.

Prime Verandas are on deck 6 through 9. Concierge is on 9 through 12 so there is no way you would be any lower than deck 9. There are no Concierge cabins classed as an obstruction although you may prefer some locations over others. But that risk is of course why it is priced lower as a GTY. That sailing is teetering on sold out so whatever you do I would make a decision quickly.

They aren’t confused. You can tell by your rate outlined on your invoice. There aren’t ‘various tiers’. You either get Celebrity’s price by booking directly or you get a group rate the TA has secured. You can call around any decent volume agent and they can steer you in the right direction.

Short answer….yes. Almost all of them do. Although Celebrity’s program is one of the best IMO. This article is overly vague but it sort of explains how it works in general terms. https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles/secret-agent-deals-how-to-find-prices-cruise-lines-dont-offer

The long Caribbean (10 and 11 day) cruises on Beyond are looking like the best sellers for the Caribbean winter 2023-2024 season. I would not be surprised if many of those itineraries sell out fairly soon. If you are looking for a cheaper option on another ship I would keep an eye on the 3/14/24 Equinox 9 night ABC or the 3/25/24 Silhouette 10 night Southern Caribbean.

You aren't taking demand into consideration. In 2003 there were 12 million global cruise passengers, that number has since grown to almost 30 million in 2019 and projected at 39.5 million by 2027. Edge 1 was ordered in December 2014 only 28 months after Reflection was launched. It's pretty much a given the wheels are in motion for the next class. No. It's the same as Beyond. 163 Aqua, 299 Concierge, 570 in the other IV categories for a total of 1,032. Edge has 918, Apex has 926.

This is all CLIA cruise lines - again not Celebrity specific but with longer cruises I doubt there is any substantial difference in the overall age. Celebrity does say for the Caribbean specficially 75% are 60+ on long (8 night or more) sailings.

The financials are all RCG brands. They do not report brand by brand. The other graphs are CLIA member cruise lines. Point being, the passengers and the cruise days are largely spent in the Caribbean on seven night cruises by mostly North Americans. For Celebrity I only have insight to Caribbean info: New to cruise/new to brand is 50% on 7 nights, 35% on long and 66% on short. Loyalty is 49% on 7 nights, 67% on long, 34% on short. Average age 60+ is 51% on 7 night, 75% on long, 37% on short. Traveling w/ family is 10% on 7 night, 3% on long, 14% on short. Roughly even split on boomer/silent gen and everyone younger on 7 night cruises, almost 80% boomer/silent gen on long Caribbean. Short Caribbean has a fairly similar generational breakdown. The largest market for Caribbean cruises is still South Florida (Orlando south) with New York City in the top 5 for 7 night and short Caribbean.

They aren't going to release profitability by sailing. But you can see revenue by geographic region. For RCG as a whole Europe and Asia combined aren't even close to Caribbean revenue. There are still two E class ships in Europe next summer and two S class ships.

I gave you solid data. Actual data from Celebrity. No speculation. Short Caribbean cruises and 7 day Caribbean are where the money is and where the people are. If long cruises were the money makers, why do they not sell them? It's obvious.