Smoking Ban and Early saver, A Twist.

[Frick_&_Frack]

[quote name='truchattycathy']I was calm and polite for two hours yesterday with no success. Congrats on yours. My PVP said if I can get the last name and sailing date of even one person who got their's cancelled, he can try to get mine done. It is not me that needs to cancel, it is one of my cabin mates. Oh well. That's how the cookie crumbles.[/quote]

If you have any luck, please let me know. I'm still trying to get mine cancelled. I already have the other bookings in place.

It would really just be simpler to allow the cancellations quickly then it all would just blow over for them (and, yes, pun is definitely intended). ;)

[gregg204]

[quote name='lsp']I am not a smoker. My husband smokes cigars. I am getting such a big kick out of reading this thread. You people are so anal that you can not find somewhere on these boats to smoke that you have to cancel your trip??? Go ahead and let me have it but golly, there are still so many places to smoke. You never could smoke in the dining rooms anyway. And if you smoke in your cabin you come out smelling like an ashtray so now you will have the benfit of smelling better, at least your clothes and hair will. Get a life. Enjoy your cruise. Get out on the open deck and enjoy your cigar or cigarette in the breeze.[/quote]
Very well said Isp... you nailed what most non smokers are thinking. They can STILL light up. My response has been let em' cancel. The handful that have canceled or will cancel will not even be a blip on carnivals radar. I'm a non smoker who has never had a problem with smokers but hey, if they keep canceling I get an even more smoke free enviroment.

[Kato27]

I kind panicked yesterday! Actually thought about cancelling my July Cruise. Wife wasn't too happy about that.Then u know ..kinda calmed down, and realized...i only smoke maybe 7 to 8 cigs a day.
When the urge is too strong i will just find an open air spot where i can have my fix.
My balcony? My neighbour won't have any problems with me, regardless if he smokes or not.
So... Nay, i won't cancel my first cruise, changes are not THAT bad. Besdies i probably couldn't have cancelled anyway.
Looking forward to my First Cruise EVER:D

[Molly BPOE]

[quote name='lsp']I am not a smoker. My husband smokes cigars. I am getting such a big kick out of reading this thread. You people are so anal that you can not find somewhere on these boats to smoke that you have to cancel your trip??? Go ahead and let me have it but golly, there are still so many places to smoke. You never could smoke in the dining rooms anyway. And if you smoke in your cabin you come out smelling like an ashtray so now you will have the benfit of smelling better, at least your clothes and hair will. Get a life. Enjoy your cruise. Get out on the open deck and enjoy your cigar or cigarette in the breeze.[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=indigo]It is not that I cannot find a place to smoke, it is the principal of the matter for me. Call me anal if you want, but I spend my hard earned money too, I want CCL to get a clear message that smokers are customers too. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Frick_&_Frack]

[quote name='Molly BPOE'][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=indigo]It is not that I cannot find a place to smoke, it is the principal of the matter for me. Call me anal if you want, but I spend my hard earned money too, I want CCL to get a clear message that smokers are customers too. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

That's our point as well. Plus, we cruise during cold months, etc. and I should not be penalized to have to either stand in the cold or leave my paid for room to smoke.

It's our opinion and we stand by it. Plus, NCL was perfectly happy to take my money.

[halos]

For those canceling their cruise on principle, I was wondering if you patronize the businesses that do not allow smoking and wonder what is the difference?:confused:

[dotheyes]

[quote name='gregg204']I go to Carnival's website and plug in all my information on my exact cruise to the room I booked. If the price is lower I fill out a price protection claim form and within 3 days I have my credit. I have received 3 on board credits sice I have booked.
[URL]http://www.carnival.com/cms/requestforms/CCLEarlySaverForm.aspx[/URL][/quote]
thanks, but how do you tell if there is a military or past guest price?

[gregg204]

[quote name='halos']For those canceling their cruise on principle, I was wondering if you patronize the businesses that do not allow smoking and wonder what is the difference?:confused:[/quote]
Another great point Halos...most of these cruisers will board an airplane which banned smoking years ago or eat in a smoke free restaurant the night before their cruise...and yes I know thats different because you are in the air for only a few hours and a meal doesn't take long and you're out and I could go on...but you still pay for these services without blinking an eye.

[gregg204]

[quote name='dotheyes']thanks, but how do you tell if there is a military or past guest price?[/quote]
when you plug in your information you can check off past guest and you'll see that rate...as for military, sorry I do not know.

[gtalum]

In my experience, when someone says "It's not about X, it's the PRINCIPLE!", that means it's about X.

The responses to the smoking "ban" are definitely amusing, though.

As for NCL, I'll be very surprised if they don't follow within a few months.

[Frick_&_Frack]

[quote name='gregg204']Another great point Halos...most of these cruisers will board an airplane which banned smoking years ago or eat in a smoke free restaurant the night before their cruise...and yes I know thats different because you are in the air for only a few hours and a meal doesn't take long and you're out and I could go on...but you still pay for these services without blinking an eye.[/quote]

Actually, we do not fly at all and about eating out - maybe 2 times a year (not counting the cruises) if that much. So, it doesn't come into play for us.

[quote name='gtalum']
As for NCL, I'll be very surprised if they don't follow within a few months.[/quote]

Don't care if they do. My issue is the closing of cigar bars. If they close theirs down and put cigar smoking in a location that I cannot enter due to the lighting issues, then I'll move on to another line or another vacation. If it's only 10% or less that wish to light up in their rooms - it shouldn't be an issue for others when everyone agrees that most of the time is spent elsewhere. Pretty simple.

[DZNYROX]

[quote name='Frick_&_Frack']Actually, we do not fly at all and about eating out - maybe 2 times a year (not counting the cruises) if that much. So, it doesn't come into play for us.



Don't care if they do. My issue is the closing of cigar bars. If they close theirs down and put cigar smoking in a location that I cannot enter due to the lighting issues, then I'll move on to another line or another vacation. If it's only 10% or less that wish to light up in their rooms - it shouldn't be an issue for others when everyone agrees that most of the time is spent elsewhere. Pretty simple.[/QUOTE]

But in another post you said it was because you didnt want to leave your room to smoke?:confused:

[halos]

[quote name='gtalum']The responses to the smoking "ban" are definitely amusing, though.

.[/quote]


That's another point...it isn't a ban. Other than the piano bar and the cabins, there is no change.:confused:

I agree about NCL, I don't know how long it will be, but it is inevitable.

[halos]

[quote name='Frick_&_Frack']Actually, we do not fly at all and about eating out - maybe 2 times a year (not counting the cruises) if that much. So, it doesn't come into play for us.



Don't care if they do. My issue is the closing of cigar bars. If they close theirs down and put cigar smoking in a location that I cannot enter due to the lighting issues, then I'll move on to another line or another vacation. If it's only 10% or less that wish to light up in their rooms - it shouldn't be an issue for others when everyone agrees that most of the time is spent elsewhere. Pretty simple.[/quote]

I think it was silly to eliminate the cigar bars...but CCL must have had a reason (again, I am sure it was a financial decision...)
However....although you don't fly or eat out much, it's basically EVERYWHERE that smoking is restricted....I think that unless smokers want to stay holed up in their homes (which would be rather sad), they need to face this and determine what they are going to do in response to it. Smoking restrictions are going to get tighter and tighter....everywhere... until it's basically banned every place but your own home.

That sucks for smokers but at the same time, it is one heck of a good deterrent for young teens to never start, which is a good thing....and obviously a really important one. No matter how any smoker defends their 'right' to smoke, I can't imagine any of them wanting their kids or grandkids to start...

[Frick_&_Frack]

[quote name='DZNYROX']But in another post you said it was because you didnt want to leave your room to smoke?:confused:[/quote]

Correct - in that when the weather is bad, why should I have to go to a room that normally I cannot enter because the lighting gives me vision issues that lead to migraines.

We usually ONLY smoke our cigars in the Cigar Bar. Never even on the balcony. The occasional cigarello (filtered) would be for the balcony. I just do not wish to traipse all over the ship to have a smoke if the weather stinks (since we do cruise in colder months - it happens a lot to us).

So, I'll go with NCL. If they change their policies as well, then, maybe look at other lines or just put an end to the insanity and try other types of vacations.

I'm just tired of everyone deciding what is right for me.

[halos]

[quote name='Frick_&_Frack']
I'm just tired of everyone deciding what is right for me.[/quote]
Accountability....your choice affects others.
Bottom line.

[DZNYROX]

[quote name='Frick_&_Frack']Correct - in that when the weather is bad, why should I have to go to a room that normally I cannot enter because the lighting gives me vision issues that lead to migraines.

We usually ONLY smoke our cigars in the Cigar Bar. Never even on the balcony. The occasional cigarello (filtered) would be for the balcony. I just do not wish to traipse all over the ship to have a smoke if the weather stinks (since we do cruise in colder months - it happens a lot to us).

So, I'll go with NCL. If they change their policies as well, then, maybe look at other lines or just put an end to the insanity and try other types of vacations.

I'm just tired of everyone deciding what is right for me.[/QUOTE]

Understood:D Happy sailing:)

[BigDfromTN]

[quote name='dotheyes']thanks, but how do you tell if there is a military or past guest price?[/quote]

Use this site, [URL]http://www.carnival.com/BookingEngine/FareViewer[/URL]#
and click off the past guest rate. Military, Im not sure about.

[quote name='Frick_&_Frack']
I'm just tired of everyone deciding what is right for me.[/quote]

I dont think anyone is trying to decide what is "right for you". Carnival has made a decision what is "Allowed" for you and all others that smoke.

Not trying to be arguemenative at all! And please correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the old policy that cigars could only be smoked indoors in the cigar bar? Now they can be smoked any place smoking is allowed. To some degree I see this as a broadening of the policy. (Not discounting your personal issue of the possiblity of a lighting problem)

[MissDiva1]

[quote name='halos']That's another point...it isn't a ban. [B]Other than the piano bar and the cabins, there is no change.:confused:[/B]

I agree about NCL, I don't know how long it will be, but it is inevitable.[/quote]

Actually that's not true. According to what John is posting on facebook and then is being posted on another thread here.......all ships seem to have thier own different sections.......really bizarre if you ask me. why not make all classes the same areas:confused: Some casino bars you can smoke and some you can't:confused: on the same class? Really bad planning if you ask me.....

[halos]

[quote name='MissDiva1']Really bad planning if you ask me.....[/quote]
I just saw that :eek:
Yeah, well that is very da**ed typical of CCL.
A cruise line that big, that has been around this long, should really have their act together a bit better for goodness sake.
You're right. Bad planning...but that's putting it nicely.

[B]*shakeshead*[/B]

[MissDiva1]

I just saw that :eek:

Yeah, well that is very da**ed typical of CCL.

A cruise line that big, that has been around this long, should really have their act together a bit better for goodness sake.

You're right. Bad planning...but that's putting it nicely.

 

*shakeshead*

 

Stupid! So now all the smokers have to research each individual ship:confused: Ok I don't smoke and that is just assinine to say the least:rolleyes:

 

Then you will get people calling their customer reps and asking where you can smoke on different ships.........can you freakin picture the outcome of that:confused::eek:

 

They have freakin cookie cutter ships.......make all the areas the same for gods sake.......

[Frick_&_Frack]

Accountability....your choice affects others.

Bottom line.

 

This is true. However, it is also true that drunks impact me (as my father was near dead after being hit by one). While drunks do not drive on ships - they certainly can do other irresponsible things.

 

This is never going to end. It's all in how things are handled. If people would just be civilized to each other, it would be simple. Years ago, a simple "If you don't mind, but your smoke is bothering me" or, if you were me "Would you mind if I smoke?" - normally, equitable solutions were reached quickly (and that was when smoking was even in hospitals!).

 

Now, most of the time, a smoker is approached by people using profanities.

 

The age of civility has, I'm afraid, come and gone. And that's what the worst of all of this.

[Frick_&_Frack]

 

I dont think anyone is trying to decide what is "right for you". Carnival has made a decision what is "Allowed" for you and all others that smoke.

 

Not trying to be arguemenative at all! And please correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the old policy that cigars could only be smoked indoors in the cigar bar? Now they can be smoked any place smoking is allowed. To some degree I see this as a broadening of the policy. (Not discounting your personal issue of the possiblity of a lighting problem)

 

Actually, Cigars were always open deck and Cigar Bar. It was "silent" on balconies. And, I did check with my PVP and Absolutely NO Cigars anywhere inside by the designated "cigar lounge" - ie Jazz club area (or former jazz club or whatever the new name will be). I wanted to be absolutely clear as I've had a great many sailings on Carnival and really didn't want to give up the comfort of home that I felt on the vessels.

 

I spent quite a long time on the phone with my PVP discussing this. And, as I said to her, there are ways to "allow" people to do anything. It's all in how you ask.

 

Give people time instead of "effective immediately" and, generally, it goes smoothly. Do the "it must be now" and then it goes...well, less smoothly.

 

The whole Cigar Bar issue is just plain silly EXCEPT on the vessels that you need to go through it to get to the internet. THAT was silly in design and should NOT have ever ever ever been allowed to be that way in the first place. I always thought that was plain dumb to place designated smoking areas where people traffic through. But, hey, I'm not a maritime architect, so, what do I know...

 

The other lines all have their cigar bars and, I've been on the ships and can spend time with the lighting, so, they work for me. Even now, we are having lightning due to storms here and my eyes are screaming with the blinding pain - so I apologize for typos.

[Molly BPOE]

For those canceling their cruise on principle, I was wondering if you patronize the businesses that do not allow smoking and wonder what is the difference?:confused:

The answer to your question is...yes and no. I do patronize some buisnesses that do not allow smoking and I do not patronize others. I know there are those that think all smokers are horrid inconsiderate people who do give a hoot about people around them. I am a considerate smoker and try not to affect others with my habit.

That being said I understand the smoking ban on an airplane, it is a very confined area. I do make my choices of airlines based on the airports they fly through. I will only book a flight with stops or layovers in Salt Lake or Denver. Both of those airports have smoking areas. So basically Delta and United get my business. I also understand restaurants as people are eating and are sometimes accompanied by children. So yes, I do patronize airlines and restaurants. Businesses that are either for personal use or adult only venues, such as bars, I will not patronize.

For instance, I will not stay in a hotel that does not allow smoking in the room. This space is reserved for my personal use or for the use of others in my party. I am also generally spending a good deal of time in that room. I will research areas and find a hotel that is willing to accomodate all guests. I don't drink very often, but I do not go to bars where I cannot smoke. It is a simple choice for me.

When I decide to take a cruise vacation, I am spending thousands of dollars and usually at least 7 days on board a vessel. I am not saying that I think I should be allowed to smoke anywhere I please, but further restricting areas that were already extreamly restrictive anyway is a disservice to those smoking pax. I have never smoked in a non smoking area of the ship. I am just simply to the point that I am not willing to pay and pay to be ostercised.

 

[MissDiva1]

The answer to your question is...yes and no. I do patronize some buisnesses that do not allow smoking and I do not patronize others. I know there are those that think all smokers are horrid inconsiderate people who do give a hoot about people around them. I am a considerate smoker and try not to affect others with my habit.

That being said I understand the smoking ban on an airplane, it is a very confined area. I do make my choices of airlines based on the airports they fly through. I will only book a flight with stops or layovers in Salt Lake or Denver. Both of those airports have smoking areas. So basically Delta and United get my business. I also understand restaurants as people are eating and are sometimes accompanied by children. So yes, I do patronize airlines and restaurants. Businesses that are either for personal use or adult only venues, such as bars, I will not patronize.

 

 

For instance, I will not stay in a hotel that does not allow smoking in the room. This space is reserved for my personal use or for the use of others in my party. I am also generally spending a good deal of time in that room. I will research areas and find a hotel that is willing to accomodate all guests. I don't drink very often, but I do not go to bars where I cannot smoke. It is a simple choice for me.

 

When I decide to take a cruise vacation, I am spending thousands of dollars and usually at least 7 days on board a vessel. I am not saying that I think I should be allowed to smoke anywhere I please, but further restricting areas that were already extreamly restrictive anyway is a disservice to those smoking pax. I have never smoked in a non smoking area of the ship. I am just simply to the point that I am not willing to pay and pay to be ostercised.

 

 

 

 

OMG! And no offense to you but you just brought back that mental image in Salt Lake airport:D I couldn't get over how silly that smoking section looked........It looked like a bunch of caged animals behind glass/or plexiglass or whatever it was:eek: How embarrassing IMO......even if I smoked I wouldn't have done it there....