Non-smoking NCL ship?????

[V8cruiser]

I still like the smoking on one side of the ship idea. I wish that would work.

 

I could cruise with my smoking friends and not be subjected to smoke blowing into the open door of my balcony.

 

When the nonsmoking side fills up, I'm pretty sure that would happen first, nonsmokers would have the choice of cruising on the smoking side of the ship, or not going. How does that sound?

 

 

unfortunately, this is like having a peeing section in one side of the same pool....

[cruiseat50]

unfortunately, this is like having a peeing section in one side of the same pool....

 

:D lol...

[Single Cruiser]

Around 22,000 folks each week cruise on NCL. A couple of hundred responses is a drop in the bucket. The only way these things change is if it makes financial sense. Cruising in Europe also presents challenges.

As soon as you segregate ships into smoking/non-smoking you begin sailing with partially filled ships. Not a good thing. Despite the vocal few, it has worked so far. Over the last few years I can count on one hand the folks that have said they were going to cancel or did change ships because of smoking.

By the way, I'm a non smoker.

 

The poll has only been going for a few hours but is an interesting snapshot.

[Single Cruiser]

I still like the smoking on one side of the ship idea. I wish that would work.

 

I could cruise with my smoking friends and not be subjected to smoke blowing into the open door of my balcony.

 

When the nonsmoking side fills up, I'm pretty sure that would happen first, nonsmokers would have the choice of cruising on the smoking side of the ship, or not going. How does that sound?

 

The British brands and ships I've been on work fine with NO internal smoking allowed (as it's banned under UK law). Smokers are allowed to smoke on the Starboard Promenade deck and Starboard open deck. There was two smokers in our group of 6 and they were happy with that!

But then Brits drink more than Americans and the drinks are half the price of American lines (with very small casinos). P&O still make a profit so sure NCL and others could.

[Single Cruiser]

Other smoking threads have also been deleted "unecessarily". If you don't like it, open a different thread!

 

 

You are not allowed to discuss that. I did before and got a warning. :confused:

[sparks1093]

It couldn't possibly be that the smokers drive the non smokers out of the lounges & casinos, could it? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

On the ships that have tried non-smoking the casino and bar revenue was signficantly lower, which caused the cruise line to abandon the policy, so there were no smokers to drive the non-smokers out;) (at least that's what I've read).

[anniegb]

I still like the smoking on one side of the ship idea. I wish that would work.

 

I could cruise with my smoking friends and not be subjected to smoke blowing into the open door of my balcony.

 

When the nonsmoking side fills up, I'm pretty sure that would happen first, nonsmokers would have the choice of cruising on the smoking side of the ship, or not going. How does that sound?

 

That would work for me

[1 HappyCruiser]

On the ships that have tried non-smoking the casino and bar revenue was signficantly lower, which caused the cruise line to abandon the policy, so there were no smokers to drive the non-smokers out;) (at least that's what I've read).

 

You're referring to the Carnival Paradise about 10 years ago. At the time it the only completely non smoking ship in the mass market cruise line category and failed because it was all by itself. In the days when all restaurant allowed smoking it would have been suicide to offer a non smoking one in the middle of all the others but today it's the norm.

We avoid the casino, even on non smoking nights because of the stale tobacco stench and leave it for the smokers to use as it does pay the bills & keep our cruise price lower. A typical non smoker will not share the area with a smoker but a smoker doesn't care either way since they normally don't smell any difference.

[mesci14]

I personally would love that the cruise out of Boston be nonsmoking and would book a cruise in a heartbeat. However I would be satisfied so that all may enjoy the Boston cruise with smoking nonsmoking sides with all common areas smokefree especially areas most frequented by children/teens.

[sparks1093]

You're referring to the Carnival Paradise about 10 years ago. At the time it the only completely non smoking ship in the mass market cruise line category and failed because it was all by itself. In the days when all restaurant allowed smoking it would have been suicide to offer a non smoking one in the middle of all the others but today it's the norm.

We avoid the casino, even on non smoking nights because of the stale tobacco stench and leave it for the smokers to use as it does pay the bills & keep our cruise price lower. A typical non smoker will not share the area with a smoker but a smoker doesn't care either way since they normally don't smell any difference.

 

So 10 years ago non-smokers didn't care? From what I've read on this thread alone many people would jump at the chance to sail on a non-smoking ship. From all that I've read the only reason the experiment failed was because bar and casino revenue was significantly down. Not just a little bit, significantly. There are probably at least a dozen doctoral theses in the whys and wherefores.

[iceman2a]

You can't smoke on a plane, bus or train. There are non-smoking hotels and restaurants. You can't smoke in Government buildings and hospitals. The list goes on. Cruise ships.... Go for it!!

 

And this relates to Cruise ships HOW? You can get off a plane, bus or train. You can leave a hotel and restaurant.

 

I am a smoker, would not cancel a cruise if NCL banned smoking in cabin, I don't do that anyway, even if they banned it on balconies as long as there were certian open deck areas where you could! I don't think they would ever ban it in the casinos!

[cruizinwithkids]

The only other solution I thought of is instead of making one itinerary on a particular ship non smoking rather have them on a rotation schedule. Say the Pearl 3 out of 4 sailings could be for smokers and that way the ones who really hate the smoking issue could have a smoke free cruise. I know that some would say that may not work with their schedule but for me I would try to make it happen. Even if they charged slightly more for a cruise I would do it so that I could enjoy the fresh air.:)

 

I think this would be a great solution. I did see one thread where a person cancelled her cruise because of the possibility of there being a smoker staying in the room before her. Other than that person I think many would be happy with this.

 

I wonder how much more non-smokers would be willing to pay.

[TPEINC1958]

 

I wonder how much more non-smokers would be willing to pay.

 

Other than a few in the vocal minority, I would guess $0.00.

[1 HappyCruiser]

I actually think that this is great idea and had posted this on the other thread. Really I think then everyone would be happy. The smokers could get their nicotine without endangering those with health problems or just plain annoying the non-smokers. Also, they could get their nicotine fix without all the other nasty chemicals tobacco companies put in. Have any of you smokers tried these? I'm curious if they would satisfy you.:confused:

 

The only other solution I thought of is instead of making one itinerary on a particular ship non smoking rather have them on a rotation schedule. Say the Pearl 3 out of 4 sailings could be for smokers and that way the ones who really hate the smoking issue could have a smoke free cruise. I know that some would say that may not work with their schedule but for me I would try to make it happen. Even if they charged slightly more for a cruise I would do it so that I could enjoy the fresh air.:)

 

You're got to be kidding ! I should have to pay more because as a non smoker? I cause less clean up in the cabins, bars & balconies & therefor I should subsidize the filth that smokers leave behind. No way- they're the cause of the problems & should be assessed extra on every trip for their habit.

Rotating schedules will not work either but at least it would provide fresh air on the balconies.

[gagal10]

My .02, for what it's worth. You used to could smoke on airplanes, now you can't. Not that many years ago, you had to request the non smoking section in restaurants, now the whole place is non-smoking. I had jury duty while in college and my fellow jurors were allowed to smoke in the jury room (worked for me, it meant I got dismissed, woohoo!), but I had jury duty last year and they now have to go outside the building to smoke. Things change and 2nd had smoke has become a huge risk for any organization to be willing to take.. All it takes is one lawyer to gather together a group of people who were in an enclosed area where smoking was allowed (like a casino) and begin a class action. It will happen, I'm sure. And truthfully, it doesn't really matter if those things have fact on their side or not, all that matters is that they convince a judge or jury that by allowing smoking in said enclosed space they caused harm to the plaintiffs.. Remember, a woman won MILLIONS because Mickey D's served her hot coffee and there were circumstances in that case, but the basis of it was SHE WAS SERVED HOT COFFEE, ridiculous.. Smoking is a choice and as adults, you have the right to make that choice, but your smoking doesn't only affect you and unless they can figure out a way for that to be, people and places are going to continue to ban it.

[TPEINC1958]

You're got to be kidding ! I should have to pay more because as a non smoker? I cause less clean up in the cabins, bars & balconies & therefor I should subsidize the filth that smokers leave behind. No way- they're the cause of the problems & should be assessed extra on every trip for their habit.

Rotating schedules will not work either but at least it would provide fresh air on the balconies.

 

Why must this subject always degenerate into nastiness? It was a civil discourse up until this. And this will "help" the conversation to get even more nasty until finally the moderators either delete it or lock it. Then next week it will start all over again. I am a non-smoker and have never seen half of the things some claim to have seen on cruise ships when it comes to smokers.

[newmexicoNita]

There is a thread that indicates a lot of people would love to see NCL have a non-smoking ship. I would be curious how this could work effectively.

 

I could see it working on the summer Bermuda cruises. Perhaps make the ship out of Boston non-smoking and the one out of NY smoking. Also Alaska could work because of the number of ships doing the same basic itinerary.

 

So are people going to cruise year after year on the same itinerary because it is non-smoking?

 

Right now I am booked on the Gem out of NY because it is a newer ship and I prefer the Sunday to Sunday versus the Friday to Friday. If they made Boston for non-smokers would I want to change my cruise? Possibly. Would the Gem then attract "only" smokers. Like in the old days when smoking was allowed in the back of a plane.:eek:

 

How could NCL really make it work?

 

been tried, doesn't work and the subject is gettin a bit tiring.

 

Nita

[1 HappyCruiser]

Why must this subject always degenerate into nastiness? It was a civil discourse up until this. And this will "help" the conversation to get even more nasty until finally the moderators either delete it or lock it. Then next week it will start all over again. I am a non-smoker and have never seen half of the things some claim to have seen on cruise ships when it comes to smokers.

 

I'm sorry but I just don't see how my reply was being nasty. The reply wasn't degrading at all but simply pointing out that there's no reason why non smokers should have to subsidize the cleaning necessary for what smokers leave behind. Even the cleanest most courteous smoker on a ship or hotel room demands more cleaning. It's just a nature of the habit because the smoke can't be contained.

btw- Pretty much all the nasty smoking discussions on the Princess board have come to an end. I wonder why? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[sparks1093]

I'm sorry but I just don't see how my reply was being nasty. The reply wasn't degrading at all but simply pointing out that there's no reason why non smokers should have to subsidize the cleaning necessary for what smokers leave behind. Even the cleanest most courteous smoker on a ship or hotel room demands more cleaning. It's just a nature of the habit because the smoke can't be contained.

btw- Pretty much all the nasty smoking discussions on the Princess board have come to an end. I wonder why? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

The subsidy wouldn't be because of the cleaning, it would be to replace the lost revenue from the casino and bars.

[mbisson]

I am a non-smoker and have never seen half of the things some claim to have seen on cruise ships when it comes to smokers.

 

Ditto for me...maybe you & I just don't cruise often enough to see what appears to be common

 

Yeah-that's the ticket ;)

[Single Cruiser]

I still disagree with the idea that people who smoke drink more...

 

Many a time I've been to a pub with a smoker. Over here they have to go outside to smoke. During the course of the evening/night I'd drink at least a pint more whilst waiting as they are gathered outside smoking away and chatting with the other smokers!

 

Again there are a lot of lines where smoking is banned inside cabins/lounges/balconies and still make money. Ship design plays a large part, I.e. Placing an indoor bar/nightclub with a door direct to an outside deck (promenade etc) where people can nip out for some err "fresh" air :cool::rolleyes:

[mbisson]

Ditto for me...maybe you & I just don't cruise often enough to see what appears to be common

 

Yeah-that's the ticket ;)

 

I should have added though, that even I have been in a casino or two (onboard) where the smoke drove me out.

[KFC]

I still disagree with the idea that people who smoke drink more...

 

Many a time I've been to a pub with a smoker. Over here they have to go outside to smoke. During the course of the evening/night I'd drink at least a pint more whilst waiting as they are gathered outside smoking away and chatting with the other smokers!

 

Again there are a lot of lines where smoking is banned inside cabins/lounges/balconies and still make money. Ship design plays a large part, I.e. Placing an indoor bar/nightclub with a door direct to an outside deck (promenade etc) where people can nip out for some err "fresh" air :cool::rolleyes:

 

Yes I think they should ban smoking in the rooms and balconies and have designated areas where the wind will blow the smoke out to sea!

[Single Cruiser]

Yes I think they should ban smoking in the rooms and balconies and have designated areas where the wind will blow the smoke out to sea!

 

Works on P&O and did on Ocean Village fleet..

[1 HappyCruiser]

The subsidy wouldn't be because of the cleaning, it would be to replace the lost revenue from the casino and bars.

 

Well I guess it's debatable but I'm not a big gambling person I'd just as soon let the smokers have their casino for a smoking lounge & not go there. It does help pay for the cruise lines profits & since I usually carry my own liquor, other than the entertainment we steer clear of the bars. My biggest objection is smoke on the balconies where there is no escape sometimes.