Passengers removed from ship for failure to muster

[fuzzywuzzy]

Not to mention that those carrying their "adult drinks" are usually too chatty during the drill, and being crushed together - spills are likely. Not pleasant for others.

 

I've never seen people with adult drinks at muster drill.

[Daisyloo]

We just got back from a 7 night Alaskan cruise on the Zaandam. We did the 7 night return out of Vancouver, but the cruise also sold as 3 nights to Skagway then go on the land portion, or do the land portion first and embark in Skagway.

We had our muster drill in Vancouver about 1 hour before sail away. Roll call of stateroom numbers was taken. It was repeated several times over the loudspeakers that anyone not attending muster would not be allowed to sail. There was a second muster before we left Skagway, but it was only for the passengers that had embarked there. They were warned about the consequences of missing the muster as well.

What we noticed is that while most people take the drill seriously, there are still people who talk, laugh and don't pay attention. There was a women in our lifeboat who babbled on and on to other people in our lifeboat about nonsense. We actually couldn't hear some of the things the captain was saying. I finally asked her to be quiet as we wanted to hear what was being said and it was important for all of us to pay attention. That got me a dirty look but at least she shut up.

[Krazy Kruizers]

Oh we have seen people bring their alcoholic drinks to the lifeboat drill.

I have even seen watched as some people opened the lounge chairs to sit back and relax. They were told to fold them back up but nothing was said about their drinks.

[sapper1]

I guess my question, in order to have avoided the above sarcasm, should have been: Is it against the rules to bring drinks (and not just alcoholic) to the muster. I never paid any attention to what could or could not be brought since I never have brought anything other than myself. However, if it is not against the rules, I do believe I have enough of an attention span to stand with a glass of anything and still be able to comprehend what was being instructed.

 

Please accept my apology. My post was meant as a fact and not intended as sarcasm. I did not intend to upset you.

I don't have a talent for sugar coating my words but that doesn't mean I am trying to offend.

Edited July 22, 2014 by sapper1

[Krazy Kruizers]

A two year old resurrection.

 

HAL needs to start scanning key cards for those in attendance, then there will be no doubt about who showed up.

 

 

 

I agree -- using a scanner would take far less time and then they would know exactly who has not shown up.

[CowPrincess]

I guess my question, in order to have avoided the above sarcasm, should have been: Is it against the rules to bring drinks (and not just alcoholic) to the muster. I never paid any attention to what could or could not be brought since I never have brought anything other than myself. However, if it is not against the rules, I do believe I have enough of an attention span to stand with a glass of anything and still be able to comprehend what was being instructed.

 

The post of mine you quoted is about 2 1/2 years old. In the intervening time a lot has changed on HAL for Muster Drills. I haven't seen anyone drinking at a recent Muster Drill.

 

IIRC every time there is an announcement by the CD regarding Muster Drill, I think something is said about "no food and drink" or something along those lines, even prior to the Concordia incident.

 

If you have ever had the "pleasure" of standing beside or in front of someone holding an open bottle of beer on each finger (finger stuck into the neck), or had to listen to the imbibers being "shushed" repeatedly as they "got their happy on" you'd probably think it was a good idea to forbid adult beverages at Muster Drill.

[Tampa Girl]

Please accept my apology. My post was meant as a fact and not intended as sarcasm. I did not intend to upset you.

I don't have a talent for sugar coating my words but that doesn't mean I am trying to offend.

 

 

Appreciate your response, Sapper. Thank you.

[Tampa Girl]

The post of mine you quoted is about 2 1/2 years old. In the intervening time a lot has changed on HAL for Muster Drills. I haven't seen anyone drinking at a recent Muster Drill.

 

 

 

You have the quotes confused. I was quoting someone else. Sorry.

[Typhoon1]

where people talk on their cell phones during the entire time as if they had special rights and showed no concern for others. And others just talked to each other.

 

Just like those that show up with their cocktails, and appear to be under the influence.

[Linda&Vern]

At our safety drill on the Westerdam in 2013 . . .

 

It didn't upset me when a man sat down on one of the wooden Westerdam benches with his mug of Lido coffee.

 

Then he lit up his cigar. Hum ... I decided to let others around him handle that ... and they did immediately. I was happy he agreed to put out his cigar.

 

:rolleyes: Except ... he put his big cigar into his Lido coffee mug. I have not had coffee in the Lido since that trip. Not sure I ever could again. I will always see that cigar butt! :eek:

 

On another note ... on our last Zuiderdam cruise a couple of people grabbed lounge chairs and thought they were going to put them up and lay on them. A ship's officer was on top of that immediately!

 

I enjoy the safety drill. It means our cruise is ready to sail! :D

[muffin]

Not a cheerleader, but Celebrity muster is a joy compared to HAL. On Century, we were assigned a public meeting room according to our lifeboat number on our card/key. We happened to go to the casino, Some were in theatre, large lounges etc etc, We SAT on the stools, and the captain came on the loudspeaker to talk. We could HEAR!!!! people were quiet, and polite. We gave our cabin number to a staff member when we entered. There were about 4 staff spaced around to do the life jacket demo and answer questions at the end. It was mercifully short,as the captain did all the info in little spurts,and spaced it well. As we were waiting for all to arrive we heard about no smoking materials being throw off balconies or decks etc. As this was broadcast to all cabins, lounges, restrooms?,people still coming up the stairs heard it too. We were told in the event of a true emergency to go to our meeting place...the casino...and we would be told what to do and escorted to a lifeboat if necessary. really a great presentation. Outside is soooo bad..the noise if the port is awful with machines, horns, float planes etc etc, and the heat and standing has had several people on the deck face down before they even start. Come on HAL, I have mentioned this on every comment card!b

[Mr_Astro]

I was a guest lecturer aboard a HAL ship around 2000 and met the ship half way through a 15 day SD to HI return. I joined in Honolulu and the ship left around midnight that day headed for Kauai. Prior to entering the Kauai harbour we had a lifeboat drill well out at sea. Apparently, at that time, ships were required to hold lifeboat drills every week so they had this one at sea to avoid down time in port.

[CowPrincess]

You have the quotes confused. I was quoting someone else. Sorry.

 

In post 314 you quoted my 2 1/2 year old comment and said:

 

Why is that a problem?

 

Then Sapper 1 responded to you with reference to your quoting me:

 

I would say it's because muster drill is not a party. Leave the drinks until it's over and pay attention. It could save a life.

 

To which you replied

 

I guess my question, in order to have avoided the above sarcasm, should have been: Is it against the rules to bring drinks (and not just alcoholic) to the muster. I never paid any attention to what could or could not be brought since I never have brought anything other than myself. However, if it is not against the rules, I do believe I have enough of an attention span to stand with a glass of anything and still be able to comprehend what was being instructed.

 

.... which seemed to me to be referencing back to your question to ME in post 314.... so that is why I quoted your comment. And answered it as best as I could.

[Copper10-8]

I guess my question, in order to have avoided the above sarcasm, should have been: Is it against the rules to bring drinks (and not just alcoholic) to the muster. I never paid any attention to what could or could not be brought since I never have brought anything other than myself. However, if it is not against the rules, I do believe I have enough of an attention span to stand with a glass of anything and still be able to comprehend what was being instructed.

 

Tampa Girl, to answer your question; it's not against then rules to bring a drink, but it defeats the purpose of the drill, as does talking on a cell phone, showing pics of the kids and grandchildren, grab-a$$ing, etc. There used to be a time when the ship's photographers and the videographer came along the various muster stations, "preserving the assembled pax for posterity". That is thankfully not done anymore because it contributed to the "it's a social event" atmosphere which it is definitely not!

 

The main purpose of the drill is to make pax aware of where their assigned muster station is in case it becomes necessary to go there, along with issuing instructions as to what to wear and what to bring., and to take a muster

Edited July 23, 2014 by Copper10-8

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

Disney actually has some muster stations in the theatre, which is nice on a hot day. I've had one station on deck and one in the theatre. My Feb cruise there I know where cabins on either side of mine go - one is outside and one is inside...we shall see where I land. :)

 

Very weird they don't scan keycards on Holland. Definitely makes it easier! On Disney they ask if your party is all together and scan one person's for the room when you verify that everyone is there. Their system will show the number of people assigned to the room, so they do double check - and I have seen them tell someone they needed to get the rest of their party together and be re-scanned when someone said yes but the numbers didn't match up.

[Linda&Vern]

tampa girl, to answer your question; it's not against then rules to bring a drink, but it defeats the purpose of the drill, as does talking on a cell phone, showing pics of the kids and grandchildren, grab-a$$ing, etc. There used to be a time when the ship's photographers and the videographer came along the various muster stations, "preserving the assembled pax for posterity". That is thankfully not done anymore because it contributed to the "it's a social event" atmosphere which it is definitely not!

 

The main purpose of the drill is to make pax aware of where their assigned muster station is in case it becomes necessary to go there, along with issuing instructions as to what to wear and what to bring., and to take a muster

 

thank you for posting copper !

[Copper10-8]

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Very weird they don't scan keycards on Holland. Definitely makes it easier! On Disney they ask if your party is all together and scan one person's for the room when you verify that everyone is there. Their system will show the number of people assigned to the room, so they do double check - and I have seen them tell someone they needed to get the rest of their party together and be re-scanned when someone said yes but the numbers didn't match up.

 

Scanning is in the works with HAL; it involves technical preparations on all fifteen ships. It still requires fine folks to make a physical appearance heeding the three separate "heads up" announcements given by the CD over the P/A system starting at 30 minutes prior to the drill. If everyone shows up on time and goes where they're supposed to, is quite on deck when the drill commences, the event is over in 20-25 minutes and the vacation can officially start

Edited July 23, 2014 by Copper10-8

[IRL_Joanie]

I have not seen any mention from the folks pro or con of going to your Muster Station, (ie., Costa Concordia style) reporting/scanning in and then going to a lounge area assigned to each cabin in order to listen in a comfortable place to the Captain and his/her staff as they conduct the Life Boat Drill.

 

So, I have to pop in with the following....Whether or not any or all of the passengers on the Costa Concordia had done a drill or not shows me that going to a life boat station, signing in, via scanning or.... made no difference to most passengers on that ill fated cruise.

 

Those who went to their assigned muster drill lounge (I believe they were all Handicapped) were left to die.... What good is it to meet in one place and then go to another and no one comes for you to take you to your escape boat?

 

Sorry to those who do not agree, but for me I will be at my muster station 15 minutes or more earlier than called for (Sans the one time I listened to other More Expoerienced CC membners who said do this or that in the Atrium...). I will sit where the crew can see me and know that they will need to assist me. I will not speak unless it is in answer to a Life Boat crew member. I will not drink or eat and I will tell anyone around me who thinks this is a time to party to "Be Quiet Please as this could mean you and I live or die."

 

I am not afraid to speak up in times of emergency or training for an emergency if it means saving my life and others.

 

Get to your assigned station stand there quietly and follow the damned directions as given so that our cruising can begin on a safe note!!

 

I do not care how any other cruise lines does/has done/or will do with their passengers. We are talking what HAL does now and that is the thing we all need to see and hear, each and every time we go on a cruise.

 

Joanie

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

From the documentary I watched on netflix about the Concordia, they had not yet had their muster drill - it was scheduled for the following day.

[Fouremco]

From the documentary I watched on netflix about the Concordia, they had not yet had their muster drill - it was scheduled for the following day.

That's correct, no lifeboat drill had been held before or after departure from Civitavecchia.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Fouremco

[cbr663]

While HAL's policy is that all passengers attend, its practice does not enforce this. HAL just requires that someone shout "HERE" after your name or cabin number is called. There is a difference. HAL has no idea whether a particular passenger attended the muster drill, all it knows is that someone shouted "HERE" after a particular name was called. This is a glaring weakness in the current procedure.

Edited July 23, 2014 by cbr663

[sapper1]

While HAL's policy is that all passengers attend, its practice does not enforce this. HAL just requires that someone shout "HERE" after your name or cabin number is called. There is a difference. HAL has no idea whether a particular passenger attended the muster drill, all it knows is that someone shouted "HERE" after a particular name was called. This is a glaring weakness in the current procedure.

 

You know, that thought had occurred to me as well. When I shout "here" nobody checks to see if my husband is with me. He is, mind you, but nobody checks.

[Lizzie68]

You know, that thought had occurred to me as well. When I shout "here" nobody checks to see if my husband is with me. He is, mind you, but nobody checks.

 

Excellent point, which is why they need to get on the electronic check in system PDQ.

[Sam.Seattle]

From the documentary I watched on netflix about the Concordia, they had not yet had their muster drill - it was scheduled for the following day.

Would it have really made a difference?

 

I think anyone with a starboard cabin probably would have not stood around at their station while the ship listed to the starboard.

 

Then there were those on the port side... Could not even launch some of those life boats.

 

And... who was at the helm directing the evacuation?

Edited July 23, 2014 by Sam.Seattle

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

Would it have really made a difference?

 

I think anyone with a starboard cabin probably would have not stood around at their station while the ship listed to the starboard.

 

Then there were those on the port side... Could not even launch some of those life boats.

 

And... who was at the helm directing the evacuation?

 

So let's just throw up our hands and not have them at all?

 

At least with the drill you know where you SHOULD go and what the procedure SHOULD be. And clearly someone in charge of rules agrees with me since they now require them before sailing.

 

I'd personally have knowledge of what should happen so that in the event of an emergency I can use that knowledge to do everything I can to save myself and help others.

 

And going to the other posts that they don't check off everyone in the room... WOW. That really makes me feel safe going into this cruise.