If you get thrown off the ship

[Sheffie]

I suspect that someone exaggerated a bit....there is no fine that I am aware of for someone leaving the ship prior to it's return to port....whether they are put off the ship involuntarily, get off the ship voluntarily due to sickness/accident or choice, or jump overboard.

 

They missed the boat in Miami, drove to Key West to get on her, and had to pay a fine. Truth.

[Sheffie]

Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but if she was not allowed on, then how could the departure and return numbers have been different? Does this mean she got off at a port where she was required to show her passport upon return to the ship but she had lost it or something? I have never had to do this, although my travels have only been Alaska and the Caribbean. Just wondering what you meant.

 

When the Carribean cruise started in Miami, she had left her passport in Omaha, and was not allowed on the ship. She had it overnighted to her. They drove to Key West, where they finally got on the ship for the first time. She told me that not only did they have to pay for a car rental and an expensive night at a motel in Key West, but had to pay the fine that the ship would be assessed for coming home to Port Miami with 2 more passengers than it left Miami with.

 

I hope I explained it better this time.

[hughdm]

Sorry, but Cozumel is considered a near foreign port. That would be a violation of th PVSA. The FL to CA through the Canal include a stop at a distant foreign port and thus are allowed. If the ship only goes to a near foreign port, all passengers who boarded at the start of the cruise are required to stay on board until the end of the cruise when it returns to the port from which it originally left. This is why if you miss the ship in Miami you cannot just board in Pr, but must wait until St. Martin or St. kitts. If you missed the ship on the west-bound Caribbean cruise, you could get on in Cozumel, but not in Key West. A passenger could get off in another country, but not another US port.

I have a bit of trouble with this one. The lines use Ensenada all the time to get around this, and it's CERTAINLY not as far away as Cozumel.

[SmokeOnTheWater71]

Simple answer to all questions don't bring drugs on board unless you know how, don't get drunk and late for leaving,think of your fellow px.not your self.

[rwr235]

I have a bit of trouble with this one. The lines use Ensenada all the time to get around this, and it's CERTAINLY not as far away as Cozumel.

 

Not sure what you mean.....Yes, Ensenada is a frequently used port...but it is so...because it allows the Cruise Lines to adhere to the PVSA...not get around it.

 

Enjoy !

 

Woody

[Christine Frances]

I have a bit of trouble with this one. The lines use Ensenada all the time to get around this, and it's CERTAINLY not as far away as Cozumel.

 

This sorta explains it:confused: http://www.sealetter.com/Oct-99/alancol.html

[fleckle]

Sorry, but Cozumel is considered a near foreign port. That would be a violation of th PVSA. The FL to CA through the Canal include a stop at a distant foreign port and thus are allowed. If the ship only goes to a near foreign port, all passengers who boarded at the start of the cruise are required to stay on board until the end of the cruise when it returns to the port from which it originally left.

I have a bit of trouble with this one. The lines use Ensenada all the time to get around this, and it's CERTAINLY not as far away as Cozumel.

Algebralovr is correct.

Ensenada and Cozumel both are near foreign ports, not distant foreign ports.

 

Ensenada is used in different ways to satisfy different requirements:

 

- It is used as the embarkation or disembarkation port for one-way cruises to or from a US port (so that passengers do not embark and disembark at two different US ports)

 

- It is used only for a brief stop along the way to satisfy the nearby foreign port requirement for the round-trip closed circuit cruises

 

 

For anyone who really cares, the provisions of the PVSA have already been rehashed many times in many threads on Cruise Critic, explaining in detail the differences between the nearby and distant foreign port requirements.

 

[hughdm]

Algebralovr is correct.

Ensenada and Cozumel both are near foreign ports, not distant foreign ports.

 

Ensenada is used in different ways to satisfy different requirements:

 

- It is used as the embarkation or disembarkation port for one-way cruises to or from a US port (so that passengers do not embark and disembark at two different US ports)

 

- It is used only for a brief stop along the way to satisfy the nearby foreign port requirement for the round-trip closed circuit cruises

 

 

For anyone who really cares, the provisions of the PVSA have already been rehashed many times in many threads on Cruise Critic, explaining in detail the differences between the nearby and distant foreign port requirements.

 

Ah, now I think I understand. The near foreign port is OK on a closed circuit.

[ghstudio]

They missed the boat in Miami, drove to Key West to get on her, and had to pay a fine. Truth.

 

That is different situation. The fine is because the ship transported two individuals from one us port to another and that is a violation of the pvsa.

 

However if they boarded or left the ship in Aruba or simular non us port for whatever reason, there would be no fine. The us can not forbid a ship from picking up or dropping someone off in a non us country/territory.

[TideCruiser1946]

The Pride of America cruises around Hawaii seem to not meet any of the allowed itineraries since there is no foreign port visited. Do they pay the fines?

[rwr235]

The Pride of America cruises around Hawaii seem to not meet any of the allowed itineraries since there is no foreign port visited. Do they pay the fines?

 

Pride of America...is US-Flagged, and not foreign-flagged...and therefore PVSA is not applicable, and it is allowed to cruise that itinerary.

 

Woody

[rwr235]

Duplicate

[Christine Frances]

That is different situation. The fine is because the ship transported two individuals from one us port to another and that is a violation of the pvsa.

 

However if they boarded or left the ship in Aruba or simular non us port for whatever reason, there would be no fine. The us can not forbid a ship from picking up or dropping someone off in a non us country/territory.

 

I don't quite get this. ( happens a lot:)). The ship didn't transport two individuals from one US port to another - they drove from one port to another!

 

 

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[Essiesmom]

I don't quite get this. ( happens a lot:)). The ship didn't transport two individuals from one US port to another - they drove from one port to another!

 

 

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If passengers got on in Key West instead of Miami, and the cruise ended in Miami, where they got off, they would have been transported from one US port to another, hence the fine. EM

[cruisestitch]

"The ship didn't transport two individuals from one US port to another "

 

Yes, it did -- they went from Key West to Miami (via the Caribbean, but not via a distant foreign port). They no longer were on a round-trip cruise, instead, they took a one-way cruise which violated the PVSA, and incurred the fine.

 

The explanation about having two more passengers on arrival than on departure didn't really address the actual issue -- the PVSA violation

[Sheffie]

That is different situation. The fine is because the ship transported two individuals from one us port to another and that is a violation of the pvsa.

 

However if they boarded or left the ship in Aruba or simular non us port for whatever reason, there would be no fine. The us can not forbid a ship from picking up or dropping someone off in a non us country/territory.

 

I never new that! Thanks for the explanation.

[Christine Frances]

"The ship didn't transport two individuals from one US port to another "

 

Yes, it did -- they went from Key West to Miami (via the Caribbean, but not via a distant foreign port). They no longer were on a round-trip cruise, instead, they took a one-way cruise which violated the PVSA, and incurred the fine.

 

The explanation about having two more passengers on arrival than on departure didn't really address the actual issue -- the PVSA violation

 

Gotcha!! Thanks

 

 

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[medcoder]

I was there when this happened and saw the people taken by the police this isn't urban legend for sure. The next day we found out that they had continued their drunkeness regardless of what security said to them. They had gone to the main dining room and caused a rukus, were told to go to their cabin. Instead they went to the casino and caused more problems and getting into altercations with other passengers. They were escorted to their cabin and someone we met who had the cabin next door called security when they heard all sorts of crashing in their cabin. They apparently trashed their cabin and that was when the Captain said enough...and they were arrested at the San Francisco Port. Thanks everyone for answering the question of did they have to pay all the fees to reberth etc. Smooth and Happy Sailing to all!

[Bailey & Sophie]

Interesting, but now I understand why I have never been offered a job ad a Captain. I didn't realize you couldn't get on and off at a whim. Who knew all this legal stuff!! Over my head. I'll just stick to the "cruising" part!

[dodger1964]

Ow much is the fine??

[cruisestitch]

I believe that it is currently $300 pp

 

See this:

 

http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/trade/legal/informed_compliance_pubs/pvsa_icp.ctt/pvsa_icp.pdf

[cruzsnooze]

From what I have heard and it's not verified, many arrests are drug related, just like on land.

[TravelerThom]

... visa from the Russian government ... Individual visas can run upwards of $350 if not on a ship's tour or private tour...

They can run upwards of $350 if you want fast processing and use a Visa agency, but Russian visa prices start at $140 if you handle the paperwork yourself. http://www.russianembassy.org/Embassy_eng/Consulate/general.html lists visa fees [i live in the DC area and have done a Russian visa directly with the consulate].

 

Thom

[Teresa Price]

Dear OP,

yes it does happen - we have seen people put off cruise before when cruising with P & O. On our recent Sillouette [sp] cruise the captain talked about this when he did a very informative session in the theatre. Although only a captain for 4 years he had done this many times.

 

As for the person who said the guy shouldn't have been put off at Iceland - tough ----, causing that much disruption on a ship is more than enough reason!!!

 

As for departing early we just did that as I had to go back to work. You get a certain time when you can disembark due to local customs officials. So in Venice we had a choice of two times to disembark - this suited us.

cheers Teresa

[anniecat]

I found it amazing....the announcement was a return and disembarkation for medical reasons. So I watched from the cabin balcony...thought it was odd that there were no ambulances...only police! According to the staff the next day...the unruly passengers did behave badly and did damage their cabin as well as being rude and drunk. They were lucky it was SF and not a foreign port. And imagine how well the luggage was packed (ie stuffed) by the staff!

Most cruises we've been on have had at least one real medical offload..twice via helicopter....once required a return to a Mexican port and a tender ride to get to the ambulance.

I suspect that a transatlantic had a death...per the rumor mill and lots of activity at the early morning Florida arrival.