Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[gtalum]

Tell that to Pan Am.

 

I fail to see how there is any comparison.

[Cruisegirl6]

http://news.yahoo.com/disabled-cruise-ship-had-prior-mechanical-trouble-160736336.html

[jonbgd]

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I know what I am talking about in these matters. I am USCG and have been for 20 years.

Are your arms tired yet :pJK

Are you really that old??? The photo on CC, from the Camera incident, you look like your 30

[declansdad]

Maybe you (and investors) should take a close look at the many incidents that CCL has had over the past two decades.

 

 

If they go bankrupt because of this, I will be the first to post about your amazing financial prognosticating abilities. Until then I won't hold my breath.

[SadieN]

One thing you left out is how those other cruiselines dealt with the situation. Carnival falls flat compared to them

 

I believe you in certain instances. But the one instance I remember is when the ships had to leave San Juan early due to a storm, Carnival arranged flights for eveyone (with passports) to get to the next port. RCL only helped the pax who had booked air thru them.

 

We can find good and bad with any company or cruiseline.

 

OP- adding to your list- when the whole electrical bus went out on a Norwegian ship.

 

Found a great list http://www.cruisejunkie.com/events_index.html

[ducklite]

I fail to see how there is any comparison.

 

Two years after Pan Am 103 caused a major loss of consumer confidence in the brand, they folded.

[repo-cruiser]

This was already well known if you had reviews from passengers on cruise critic. For Carnival to keep sending out a troubled ship just for revenue is ridiculous

[Lafayette Cruiser]

Yes. It's called the Jones act...or PVSA. The scenario was I responding to was suggesting a foreign flagged ship (Carnival Magic) leave a U.S. port, transfer the passengers, then go directly to another U.S. port. By law, that is illegal.

 

Technically they are voilating the PVSA by returning to Gulfport instead of the cruise orignation port of Galveston without visiting a distant foreign port. Perhaps the government will give them a waiver since it's an emergency sitiation but perhaps not.

[broberts]

Maybe you (and investors) should take a close look at the many incidents that CCL has had over the past two decades.

 

Looks like an axe is being ground.

[dockmaster]

Again my response is that as long as the ship was in international waters, I'm not sure that the USCG had the authority to prevent someone from leaving the ship if they chose to.

 

That would be my take on it also, but I'm not a lawyer. The ship is foreign flagged in international waters, so the CG has no jurisdiction, to board the vessel, Without the vessels permission. They can be invited over and they can probably be asked for advice, but until they get in US waters (12nm limit) there just there to offer any assistance if requested. It looks like other than an escort, not much else is happening, because any other options aeren't as good as what there doing. Now that being said....With probably 2/3 of the pax being US citizens, the Captain of the cruise ship knows what the ramification would be if he make a bad decision. You already know the CG Captains feelings on transfer at sea.

 

I would bet 10bucks on my sign and sail card that at 12 miles the CG, probably CBP, and possibly some other 3 alphabet departments, and for sure a pilot will all go on board to start facilitating a speedier debarkation once tied up

 

Just my opinions, nothing more, been wrong before.

 

billd

[declansdad]

Two years after Pan Am 103 caused a major loss of consumer confidence in the brand, they folded.

 

 

Pan Am's problems started in the mid 70s and they went bankrupt in 1991. It took more than 2 years.

[nitro2448]

Now down over 4% and dropping like a rock.

 

As was pointed out, Royal C. Has dropped as well. What's you're explanation for that ? Or do you only look for negatives in Carnival ?

 

 

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[Rasvar]

Two years after Pan Am 103 caused a major loss of consumer confidence in the brand, they folded.

 

There was also a lot more competition. Pan Am fared poorly in the switch from regulated to unregulated service too. A lot of high quality airlines have gone under. I still miss Eastern. But, it is much easier to compete in the airlines industry than in the cruise ship industry. Not as easy to get a hold of cruise ships as it is airplanes. I think something like BP dealing with the Gulf oil spill is a closer analogy. Very large company in a competition limited field. They took a hit but have not really suffered more than some management change. It would not surprise me to see some management shakeups at Carnival after this but their share of the cruise industry is just way to big for them to go under.

[Aquahound]

Technically they are voilating the PVSA by returning to Gulfport instead of the cruise orignation port of Galveston without visiting a distant foreign port. Perhaps the government will give them a waiver since it's an emergency sitiation but perhaps not.

 

Well, in the case of the Triumph, Force Majeure will prevent them from being in any violation.

 

The ship is foreign flagged in international waters, so the CG has no jurisdiction, to board the vessel, Without the vessels permission.

 

I just addressed this and explained how they do have jurisdiction.

 

The reason the USCG has not boarded the ship is they have not deemed this a law enforcement mission. It is an escort, associated with a Search and Rescue mission. But, should the Triumph attempt any action deemed unsafe by the USCG, they certainly can change their hats.

[Tonka's Skipper]

That would be my take on it also, but I'm not a lawyer. The ship is foreign flagged in international waters, so the CG has no jurisdiction, to board the vessel, Without the vessels permission. They can be invited over and they can probably be asked for advice, but until they get in US waters (12nm limit) there just there to offer any assistance if requested. It looks like other than an escort, not much else is happening, because any other options aeren't as good as what there doing. Now that being said....With probably 2/3 of the pax being US citizens, the Captain of the cruise ship knows what the ramification would be if he make a bad decision. You already know the CG Captains feelings on transfer at sea.

 

I would bet 10bucks on my sign and sail card that at 12 miles the CG, probably CBP, and possibly some other 3 alphabet departments, and for sure a pilot will all go on board to start facilitating a speedier debarkation once tied up

 

Just my opinions, nothing more, been wrong before.

 

billd

 

You are totally correct..However the Gulf of Mexico is coastal waters and more to the point since the vessel left a US port.and is entering a US port and is carying mostly US citzens, the USCG has only to politi\ly ask permission to come baord..........it would be a brazen vessel Master to say no.

 

AKK

[broberts]

That would be my take on it also, but I'm not a lawyer. The ship is foreign flagged in international waters, so the CG has no jurisdiction, to board the vessel, Without the vessels permission. They can be invited over and they can probably be asked for advice, but until they get in US waters (12nm limit) there just there to offer any assistance if requested. It looks like other than an escort, not much else is happening, because any other options aeren't as good as what there doing. Now that being said....With probably 2/3 of the pax being US citizens, the Captain of the cruise ship knows what the ramification would be if he make a bad decision. You already know the CG Captains feelings on transfer at sea.

 

I would bet 10bucks on my sign and sail card that at 12 miles the CG, probably CBP, and possibly some other 3 alphabet departments, and for sure a pilot will all go on board to start facilitating a speedier debarkation once tied up

 

Just my opinions, nothing more, been wrong before.

 

billd

 

You may want to look at post 2937.

[Almost Packed]

This was already well known if you had reviews from passengers on cruise critic. For Carnival to keep sending out a troubled ship just for revenue is ridiculous

 

I agree...SHAME ON CCL!!!

[Tonka's Skipper]

Now down over 4% and dropping like a rock.

 

 

That is to be expected and it will go lower when the passingers get off and in front of the cameras.

 

Carnivals biggest issue is the sure to be *expanded* international Maritime authorities investigation of Carnival Inc.This was started wil the Concordia,the allegro didnt help.

[ducklite]

Looks like an axe is being ground.

 

Are you denying they haven't had more than their share of incidents?

 

No axe, just reality.

[SadieN]

Not much different than hearing a knock in your car engine and deciding to wait til it's time for other maintanence.

Had a car that had a radiator problem. Changed several 'cheaper' parts at differnet times, worked a bit, then it just blew.

Sounds like what happened to the Triumph.

 

When is/was the Triumph scheduled for drydock?

[Almost Packed]

Seriously? You are defending CCL and their poor mx practices?

 

wow! you are drinking some serious Carnival Kool Aid.

[dockmaster]

Pan Am's problems started in the mid 70s and they went bankrupt in 1991. It took more than 2 years.

 

Yea but they had the great ads with the stewardess in those cute little hats!! Ok so I'm middle aged.....

 

billd

[ryano]

? Or do you only look for negatives in Carnival ?

 

 

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Oh Lord NO! She still has an axe to grind with RCI over a cruise she took almost 8 years ago! :rolleyes: And never hesitates to spew her bitter drivel on the RCI boards about how terrible they are.

 

She is like a broken record.

[berryberry]

And the conditions are partially the fault of passengers urinating on the floors, some in public areas. How SICK!! Same with food hoarding. Because of this, others don't get much but undesireable leftovers, then they report home there's no food. One family reports she had water and a peanutbutter sandwich as her "daily ration", How could TONS of food being delivered reduced to a peanutbutter sandwich? So this is how it gets reported to the media?

 

Yes - lets blame it on the poor passengers forced to live in inhumane conditions on this ship because of Carnival's incompetence

[zenful6219]

Not much different than hearing a knock in your car engine and deciding to wait til it's time for other maintanence.

When is/was the Triumph scheduled for drydock?

 

It's completely different. How many cars can carry over 4,000 human beings that require working toilets and an occasional bite to eat and drink. But, as long as Carnival has compensated the affected passengers, that's all that matters, right? It would be nice if Carnival had been a little more concerned about the human condition and less concerned about PR.