Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[RazorbackBelle08]

http://www.khou.com/news/slideshows/Photos-First-look-inside-Carnival-Triumph-191247721.html?gallery=y&c=y#/news/slideshows/Photos-First-look-inside-Carnival-Triumph-191247721.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=1&c=y

 

Photos from inside the ship!

 

WOW!

 

Look at that smiling crew member carrying a bag of people's excrement. Man, their crew really seem to be the heroes in this situation. Does my heart good to see that.

 

As far as the accommodations-- this cements it; nothing but balconies from here on out for me (My first cruise was a balcony room and it's definitely the way to go)

[dockmaster]

How far is Tampa? Would wind and currents be more favorable for getting to Tampa?

 

Or what about the Pensacola Naval Air Station? If you google that it comes up with a picture of a Navy ship tied to a pier. Isn't Pensacola fairly close to Mobile?

 

Pensacola NAS is about 45 miles to the east. The pier is 1000 feet long...... made for aircraft carriers.

Mobile is more set up with the cruise terminal, NAS is just a pier.

 

billd

[kwbound]

Sorry no commercial ship yard or dry dock to allow for repairs.

 

They should worry about getting the passengers off ASAP first, and then if they have to haul it back to Mobile for repairs, so be it.

[cruisinfanatic]

How far is Tampa? Would wind and currents be more favorable for getting to Tampa?

 

Or what about the Pensacola Naval Air Station? If you google that it comes up with a picture of a Navy ship tied to a pier. Isn't Pensacola fairly close to Mobile?

Lets see. The Triumph is within 30 miles of docking and you suggest they go somewhere else?

Triumph can't dock in Tampa anyway ever

[temple1]

While Im sure they arent really "enjoying themselves" SOME people make the BEST of any thing that is thrown their way.

 

A concept that is completely lost to some of you in this thread.

 

The average person does tend to make the best of a bad situation while they are in it. No use sitting there for 2- 4 days pouting about something you can do nothing about. Besides-one person's idea of making the best of it sounds like a 24 hour long bi&*h session to another. ;)

[jonbgd]

Why do you not have any Carnival cruises on your list?

No ship under the Carnival umbrella and favorite cruiseline is Windstar

 

Maybe a little out of touch with us commoners

[Cindy]

There really IS something wrong with the Destiny platform designed ships....even if Arison prefers to ignore it and continue watching his blasted basketball...

 

Looking over the last 18-24+ months via various reports from crew, media & pax.

 

Destiny, Triumph, Splendor, Glory, Breeze, Dream, Liberty have ALL reported electrical and/or propulsion issues on a regular basis over the last 18 months, most complete power losses, some electrical fires..add in Concordia, Magica, Serena, Fortuna & Pacifica which have also reported similar problems during this timespan…ALL are Destiny platform design ships.

 

Compare that to the Spirit/Vista 1/Vista 2/Signature platform ships and you only get Legend one time and Costa Deliziosa one time with an azipod problem.

 

Concordia was reporting blackouts and other electrical problems right upto a few hours prior to her loss. She had been experiencing blackouts, loss of essential equipment (depth sounder, radar, black box and autopilot) several times in the THREE WEEKS immediately prior to her demise…indeed, a full repair crew were to meet and board on January 14, 2012 at Savona and they were to stay with the ship for 7-10 days to carry out repairs to her sail/no sail equipment…she was allowed to sail with her sail/no sail equipment out of service on the previso that the engineering crew were to meet her on the 14th.

 

There IS something VERY wrong with the Destiny platform family of ships.

 

The DIFFERENCE tween the Destiny platorm and the Spirit/Vista 1/Vista 2/Signature classes is simple…

 

Destiny platform have ONLY been built at Fincantieri from a design blueprint by Fincantieri.

 

Spirit & Vista 1 originated in Kvaener Mesa and were then adapted/enlarged by Fincantieri. The original blueprints had more than enough redundancy to allow for growth and design tweaks.

 

There is NO redundancy being built into the Destiny platform ships, which is why they are constantly suffering from systemic failures.

 

Had this been about a car, truck or bus...they would be recalled. Had this been about an airliner...they would be grounded.

 

But cos we are talking about a cruise ship type, carrying upwards of 4000 people each that generates millions in revenue....a blind eye is being turned by everyone...and one day there will be an even bigger loss of life from one of these ships...either by an uncontainable fire or structural failure or another grounding partially due to human error but partially due to equipment failure.

 

Aren't some of the Princess Grand class ships also built off the same platform by Fincantieri? The ship yard connection is something I've really been wondering about this week.

[Clinty76]

Understand, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I spoke to my wife once again and she told me something that shocked me! This is how the conversation went:

 

Wife: "Did the news report about a fatality?"

 

Me: "No, did someone die on board?"

 

Wife: "One of the crew members said an elderly women had an aneurism and passed away."

 

Me: "Are you serious, nobody has heard anything about it!"

 

Wife: "The crew member told us and we've heard it from some other people, I was just wondering if the news said anything?"

 

Again, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I'm just trying to give all the information I'm getting from my wife other than the personal stuff we've discussed!

[cruisinfanatic]

WOW!

 

Look at that smiling crew member carrying a bag of people's excrement. Man, their crew really seem to be the heroes in this situation. Does my heart good to see that.

 

As far as the accommodations-- this cements it; nothing but balconies from here on out for me (My first cruise was a balcony room and it's definitely the way to go)

And there are those that still won't tip, LOL

[broberts]

admit that CCL nixed Progesso to save on transportation costs? Or was it because the Mexican government might not have been so kind, (in the pockets) as the American? There had to be a reason for making these people suffer what, 3 extra days?

 

The stated reason for heading to Mobile was that the ship had drifted with the current to a point where following the current and prevailing winds it would take about the same amount of time to reach Mobile as it would to reach Progreso.

 

Unfortunately this cruise seems to be cursed as yesterday the wind changed and started coming out of the north west bringing rain with it. Yesterday they only averaged around 3.5 mph. Today the winds and current have pushed them east of the harbor entrance forcing them to tow into the wind. And now it's reported that a tow line has snapped. One can only hope they have a spare on hand and that it won't take too long to deploy.

 

I think it a real stretch to blame all of this on the thought and planning of Carnival executives.

[Rasvar]

This is how I deduct it too....makes my inside cabin solo cruisng sound like a much higher risk in disaster waste circumstances as well as lower deck outsides...

 

I would also add that aft cabins on the lower decks may be worse than mid and forward. I try to go for higher decks. Low aft interior sounds like the focal point of hell for this cruise.

[cheewiee]

Mobile was still closer than Tampa based on forecast and position. The winds after that front came through seem to be higher than was forecasted a few days ago when the decision was made. I checked the forecast when they said the ship was going to Mobile and it only had around 10 knot winds foretasted for today. Not really sure the Navy base would be willing to handle a ship like that unless it was a life or death situation. With as high as security is on bases these days, they sure as heck would not want to deal with thousands of civilians unless there was absolutely no other option.

 

Not to mention with Tampa, you have to clear the Sunshine Skyway, and then your hours in the channel... just as bad as Mobile.... if not worse

[jonbgd]

http://www.khou.com/news/slideshows/Photos-First-look-inside-Carnival-Triumph-191247721.html?gallery=y&c=y#/news/slideshows/Photos-First-look-inside-Carnival-Triumph-191247721.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=1&c=y

 

Photos from inside the ship!

Nothing like rolling out of your rack and strolling to the bar for an eye opener:p

[blondie1234]

I can see what y'all are both saying, for sure! but man, if I was a passenger, I'd sure want the option, risk be damned.

 

From carnivals perspective they probably do not have the legal contract ready for you to sign to take that risk! They probably will not allow it bc they think someone will get really seriously hurt and sue them.... Plus the publicity, sure they are getting bad publicity now but if someone actually dies or if there is a video of a small children dropping in the ocean to their death that would be far far worse...

 

The optics of 3000 people on lifeboats would not be good from a PR perspective....

 

Plus the time for tendering is over, they should have done that days ago whereas now it is just a matter of hours

 

Those lifeboats too are designed to stuff alot of people in there, it is not like it is for tender days, in emergency, you are packed like a sardine.

 

It could take hours to get to port probably and you would be packed like sardine without any bathroom or food... That could be far worse..

 

Seems like a lot of kids and elderly on this ship so that is probably a consideration that you really cannot move those people in this condition..

[RazorbackBelle08]

Understand, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I spoke to my wife once again and she told me something that shocked me! This is how the conversation went:

 

Wife: "Did the news report about a fatality?"

 

Me: "No, did someone die on board?"

 

Wife: "One of the crew members said an elderly women had an aneurism and passed away."

 

Me: "Are you serious, nobody has heard anything about it!"

 

Wife: "The crew member told us and we've heard it from some other people, I was just wondering if the news said anything?"

 

Again, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I'm just trying to give all the information I'm getting from my wife other than the personal stuff we've discussed!

 

Oh, no :( I sure hope this isn't true. I'm sure rumors are spreading like wildfire on that ship, but this doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility at all.

 

And there are those that still won't tip, LOL

 

:p

[RuthlessBoss]

It says "the ship's afloat!"

 

Another one says "get us to louisiana!"

 

I'd be going stir crazy; I can only imagine how they must feel. I love hearing how great the crew is though because Carnival's crew on my cruise was truly outstanding. They went above and beyond for me under normal conditions and I'm so proud that the crew is getting praise for how they're handling this situation-- and they have it a lot worse than the passengers do. So three cheers for them. I hope they get compensated for overtime and what they're going through; the passengers are getting money so I think the crew should too.

A little off subject, In the future, I hope people wise up and not be so selfish as to hold back all auto tips (because the steward didn't bring ice) or some other minor thing. At least we, on CC, might be more thoughtful of those tips. The sad part is those on CC are such a minor part of cruisers.

[broberts]

Understand, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I spoke to my wife once again and she told me something that shocked me! This is how the conversation went:

 

Wife: "Did the news report about a fatality?"

 

Me: "No, did someone die on board?"

 

Wife: "One of the crew members said an elderly women had an aneurism and passed away."

 

Me: "Are you serious, nobody has heard anything about it!"

 

Wife: "The crew member told us and we've heard it from some other people, I was just wondering if the news said anything?"

 

Again, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I'm just trying to give all the information I'm getting from my wife other than the personal stuff we've discussed!

 

Interesting. The Carnival VP was asked directly this morning if there were any fatalities aboard. His answer was that there were none.

[Sargent_Schultz]

No ship under the Carnival umbrella and favorite cruiseline is Windstar

 

Maybe a little out of touch with us commoners

 

Windstar at one time was purchased by Carnival. After a total loss of a ship to a fire, Carnival sold the line off. The ship was not based off of Destiny and Carnival had nothing to do with the design.

 

I really did like my one Windstar cruise.

[Rasvar]

Lets see. The Triumph is within 30 miles of docking and you suggest they go somewhere else?

Triumph can't dock in Tampa anyway ever

 

I also wasn't even considering the issue of trying to tow a ship like this under the Sunshine Skyway Bridge either.

[Jumbiecruiser]

WOW!

 

Look at that smiling crew member carrying a bag of people's excrement. Man, their crew really seem to be the heroes in this situation. Does my heart good to see that.

 

As far as the accommodations-- this cements it; nothing but balconies from here on out for me (My first cruise was a balcony room and it's definitely the way to go)

 

I am watching CNN and each person interviewed are praising the crew. The head boys had better count their blessings.

[RazorbackBelle08]

A little off subject, but I hope people wise up and not be so selfish as to hold back all auto tips (because the steward didn't bring ice) or some other minor thing. At least we, on CC, might be more thoughtful of those tips. The sad part is those on CC are such a minor part of cruisers.

 

Very true. But I can almost guarantee you plenty of people aboard have been slipping the crew members money... there are good hearted people out there that see what the crew is having to put up with.

 

I hope.

 

I'd have been tipping the heck out of the crew in this situation, but that's just me.. I'd have spent the rest of any cash I had left tipping them, and I bet others have done that too.

[sidari]

"Aren't some of the Princess Grand class ships also built off the same platform by Fincantieri? The ship yard connection is something I've really been wondering about this week"

Cannot recall any fires on any of the Grand class of Princess ships to date.

Questions have been raised about the shipyard on the Costa thread in regard to the Concordia and no inbuilt redundancy there, with regard to power outages in the weeks prior to the accident!

[jonbgd]

OMG, I could have been there:)

I dont remember ever seeing cruises posted for CEU's

 

Usually some boring location with lousy catered food:rolleyes:

[reallyitsmema]

Understand, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I spoke to my wife once again and she told me something that shocked me! This is how the conversation went:

 

Wife: "Did the news report about a fatality?"

 

Me: "No, did someone die on board?"

 

Wife: "One of the crew members said an elderly women had an aneurism and passed away."

 

Me: "Are you serious, nobody has heard anything about it!"

 

Wife: "The crew member told us and we've heard it from some other people, I was just wondering if the news said anything?"

 

Again, this is speculation and has not been confirmed!

 

I'm just trying to give all the information I'm getting from my wife other than the personal stuff we've discussed!

Thanks for updating us! We wouldn't mind the personal stuff either though lol;):D

[ans678]

WOW!

 

Look at that smiling crew member carrying a bag of people's excrement. Man, their crew really seem to be the heroes in this situation. Does my heart good to see that.

 

As far as the accommodations-- this cements it; nothing but balconies from here on out for me (My first cruise was a balcony room and it's definitely the way to go)

 

That caught my eye too! This crew deserves recognition, praise and a long paid vacation!