Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[yogimax]

 

Carnival has made significant cutbacks to keep the price of sailing down. But are these cutbacks also affecting the safe operation of their ships?

 

 

You have hit the nail on the head!!!

 

For the last two years, Carnival has cutback everything from its food to its loyalty program to entertainment.

 

You ask the logical question...

 

Has Carnival cutback on safety and maintenance.

 

a related question is just as important...

 

Has Carnival cut back on training expenses for their officers and crew?

[CdrescherRBL152]

 

Seams you missed the point. The post I was refearring to the poster said they were worng as they are saying that they now have bathrooms working on board. However the coast gaurd is saying olny the foreward ones are working.

[Mousehouse14]

Don't let facts get in the way of reality!:D

 

The last text message I received was late last night. My wife sent about 15-20 different text message last night. All of my information is what she sent me. Carnival isn't releasing any information that will hurt their company. The passengers aren't allowed to stay below deck because there is no lights below deck. The A/C system is not working and the temp below decks is getting warmer. Emergency generators are used to run necessary equipment the ship needs. That doesn't include toilets, running water, showers, lights, etc.

[dwjoe]

Are you getting light headed over there in the hills of Clermont? Who would spend thousands just to get to a 4 day cruise?

He quoted $2000, half of which was the time off from work. Which part of his math do you think is unreasonable? Pretty much all of it was on a per day basis so not sure what your issue is.

 

What does where the poster is from, have to do with anything?

[nbsjcruiser]

I read today that the MS. Carnival Triumph is adrift with only minimal power after a fire occured onboard the ship. It is hoped that the Splendor will be safely towed to a port in Mexico. Fortunately there has been no loss of life.

 

Several years ago there was a similar situation involving the MS. Carnival Splendor. In addition, Costa lines which is owned and operated by Carnival experienced the near sinking and total loss of one of its ships, the MS. Costa Condordia off the coast of Italy.

 

We have also heard of numerous propulsion problems on board several Carnival ships.

 

Carnival has made significant cutbacks to keep the price of sailing down. But are these cutbacks also affecting the safe operation of their ships?

 

Several years ago I had sailed on one of the smaller Carnival ships on a 4 day cruise. The ship was very overcrowded and during the lifeboat drill there was much confusion as to what lifeboat station the passengers were supposed to report to. I got the impression that there weren't enough lifeboats for the passengers.

 

Does Carnival have to look at its operations and make major changes?

 

All good questions. The bean counters have been flourishing at Carnival as is evident in the MDR, buffet, theatre and on the pool deck. There's no reason to believe that they wouldn't also be working their magic elsewhere.

[nitro2448]

If the lights went out due to a power failure by the power company (read the Superbowl) then it's a force majeure scenario--meaning the NFL can't sue the Superdome--although they can certainly sue the power company.

 

If the lights went out because the bulbs all blow at once because they haven't been changed or a power spike after the mains caused the blowout, it's not force majeure.

 

Who said anything about a power outage or the Super Bowl ? I said " you " and I just said a lightbulb go out, or burnout. Most people don't replace bulbs before they burn out. Do you keep a log of when you put in a new bulb so you know how long it's been in ? I don't

 

 

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[BeagleOne]

I'm tired of all the fighting and speculation... My parents are onboard and have not heard anything from them.

 

I hope your parents are okay. I understand your frustration about the fighting...especially since quite a bit of it has been triggered by people who misread posts and from THEIR posts, apparently haven't read the entire thread. The speculation is just natural human curiosity in most cases.

 

Again, I hope your parents (and everyone else on board) are okay.

[berryberry]

Just curious how a so called well stocked ship is suppose to cook that food without any power? 3000 plus people in the open/public areas of the ship for 3-4 days with no running water, working toilets, limited food and water to drink.

 

How can you compare this situation to anything on land? Not even close to the same thing. Everyone on the east coast knew a storm was coming and had plenty of time to prepare for it. If they didn't it is their fault. The people on this ship had no way of knowing this was going to happen. What are they suppose to do get off the ship and start walking?

 

You misread my post - I was responding to a poster who said the people onboard the ship were far better off than the people in the Northeast hit by the snowstorm. I disagreed with their assertion.

[Mousehouse14]

How fast do you think 3100 people are going to be able to fly out of the port in Mexico and back to the US? That will take another several days.

[ducklite]

Are you getting light headed over there in the hills of Clermont? Who would spend thousands just to get to a 4 day cruise?

 

It happens all the time--people combine a cruise with additional tourism in the area of the port to make a week long vacation.

[scubababy]

I am just amazed at some of the responses to this situation onboard the Triumph. I've been on 30+ cruises - most with Carnival.

Being on the Triumph right now would be "hell" - plain and simple.

 

I could not imagine being forced to stay outside in the elements with our young daughter. I would hope and pray the seas are fairly calm as I couldn't tolerate floating/bobbing around with my motion sickness. I couldn't fathom the bathroom/water situation either. I'm the most optimistic person around, but there is no way I could effectively make this a positive situation.

[Cruisegirl6]

I would want to be the last one lol

[ducklite]

Who said anything about a power outage or the Super Bowl ? I said " you " and I just said a lightbulb go out, or burnout. Most people don't replace bulbs before they burn out. Do you keep a log of when you put in a new bulb so you know how long it's been in ? I don't

 

 

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Actually on some of our lights, my husband does. He's comparing LED to CFL and their usage versus life span. He's got both installed in my kitchen right now (makes me crazy as the LED is considerably brighter) as they both turn on and off with the same switch.

 

At any rate, in various institutional uses, yes, light bulbs are replaced at the same time on a schedule as it's cheaper to potentially lose a few hundred hours then to bring the Genie lifts in and out. Parking garages, arenas, stadiums, parking lots, etc.

[dwjoe]

With 20+ years in the transportation industy, just a point. Regardless of any pattern of mechanicle problems, a breakdown is looked at as an seperarte event. As any mechanicle part can break at any time. I once had the motor blow on a brand new bus. Less then 50 miles from the factory. Although breakdowns are presumed to be under the owners control, legally the owner is only responable for getting the passangers to safe location in as fast as saftly possiable.

Thanks for the informed opinion.

[RuthlessBoss]

He quoted $2000, half of which was the time off from work. Which part of his math do you think is unreasonable? Pretty much all of it was on a per day basis so not sure what your issue is.

 

What does where the poster is from, have to do with anything?

Most will be reimbursed if they are now involved.

He knows I live quite close;)

[ducklite]

How fast do you think 3100 people are going to be able to fly out of the port in Mexico and back to the US? That will take another several days.

 

Agreed. As I mentioned earlier, those with passports in hand will repatriate immediately, those without passports will wait in line, and it could take several days.

[nitro2448]

My brother is self-employed. If he doesn't work, he doesn't get paid. he takes a week off every five years. (Fortunately he loves what he does for a living.)

 

So that would be $1000.

 

Airfare to the closest port that CCL sails 3-5 day itineraries from would run him $300+ per ticket. Parking would run $10/day.

 

Travel insurance is another $80 or so pp.

 

He'd have to get someone to care for his dog, add in another $25 per day.

 

Tips are what, $12 a day? X 5 equals $60 pp

 

Now he's up to over $2000 and he hasn't stepped foot on the ship.

 

Like I said, maybe you can afford to do that at the drop of a hat, not everyone can.

 

I didn't see where CCL is offering travel expenses for the "free cruise," only reimbursement of expenses to get back home.

 

You need to go read carnivals statement then, you apparently have not. It states they will receive a full refund, along with travel expenses. Plus they were reimbursed all on board expenses, minus casino and gift, so that would include tips. Stay at motel that had free parking, like I do. Motel by the way is part of travel. So might be out the dog care.

 

 

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[BeagleOne]

Mechanical problems are never considered force mejeure.

 

If the lights went out due to a power failure by the power company (read the Superbowl) then it's a force majeure scenario--meaning the NFL can't sue the Superdome--although they can certainly sue the power company.

 

 

The Super Bowl power outage was not the result of an extraordinary event beyond the control of any of the parties (like a war, crime, riot, act of God, etc.) It was not force majeure. As one of the many parties involved in the incident the Superdome management certainly COULD be sued; whether they would lose would, of course, be up to the finder-of-fact.

[aberthelot]

I would never take a cruise without a valid passport. If you are travelling to foreign areas, why would you not have a passport. We make copies of all of our ID and credit cards and keep it at home and with us!

[The Big Booper]

http://www.cruiseshipsinking.com/

 

Thanks for the link, but this wasn't the site I saw. I did notice that an ambulance chaser who specializes in suing cruise companies was advertising here. Not surprised:rolleyes:

 

This site did omit several incidents I know about, such as the Monarch grounding and the serious problems that =X= had with the Azipods on the M ships.

 

And I think it also omitted one of the incidents when a Carnival ship smashed into a docked ship.

 

I still stand by my original post, this happens far too often on Carnival Plc controlled ships.

[ducklite]

Most will be reimbursed if they are now involved.

He knows I live quite close;)

 

You seem to be missing the point. Lost wages will not be reimbursed, and that is a factor that keeps many from being able to just book another trip. They have also said that transportation home will be covered for the current cruise, nothing has been mentioned about a free ride for the free "make up" cruise. That again adds cost, which for some is very expensive. Not everyone lives an hour from a cruise port.

 

By the way, not everyone drives to the port, some ply and have to pay for parking at the airport.

[reallyitsmema]

Agreed. As I mentioned earlier, those with passports in hand will repatriate immediately, those without passports will wait in line, and it could take several days.

They will handle those without passports just as they handle them on Vancouver and Ensenada sailings. They will be on bonded busses and take the directly to the airport. Not having a passport is not going to be a problem.

[ducklite]

You need to go read carnivals statement then, you apparently have not. It states they will receive a full refund, along with travel expenses. Plus they were reimbursed all on board expenses, minus casino and gift, so that would include tips. Stay at motel that had free parking, like I do. Motel by the way is part of travel. So might be out the dog care.

 

 

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This still doesn't cover loss of wages to take another cruise. Some people don't get vacation pay. I'm not sure how much clearer I could be about that. The equitable thing to do would be to offer the "free" cruise OR cash equivalent.

[boston_scientist]

We got the email notification on the way to Galveston, 2 hours out. I'm driving in a 15 passenger van that we paid $330 to rent to get the 8 of us down here. We have 3 hotel rooms booked for tonight in Galveston, kind of annoying that they do not have any more definitive information as to what the game plan is. I hope they plan on reimbursing travel costs.

 

You'll be OK.

The next two voyages of Carnival Triumph, scheduled to depart Monday, February 11 and Saturday, February 16 are being cancelled. Guests scheduled to sail on either of those voyages will receive a full refund, reimbursement for non-refundable travel expenses and a 25 percent discount on a future three to five-day cruise.

 

They'll pay for your van, any other expenses you've incurred, and to get you back home, refund your cruise fare, plus 25% off your next cruise.

[Rasvar]

How fast do you think 3100 people are going to be able to fly out of the port in Mexico and back to the US? That will take another several days.

 

Since they will all be going back to Houston/Galveston, it will be cheaper for Carnival to just arrange for a group of charter jets direct from Mexico to Houston. It would take a week to arrange that on regular commercial. So, I assume there will be charter jets.