CNN reporting another Carnival Ship having trouble (The Dream)

[alexr54]

cause you could save like $50? (this is sarcasm)

 

The numbers are funny. Logically any ship that is mechanically driven has a chance to fail. No matter what name is on the ship. Some cruise lines travel alot more and have alot more passengers then others therefore chances of something happening to more people increases, thus all these reports.

 

Ive been reading alot about incidents on cruise ships. Its better to be on a stuck ship then on a ship that people fall from or die on. It happens to even the most expensive cruise lines.

 

These mechanical incidents will not change at all how i choose a cruise. Just my .02 :)

[broberts]

I meant emergent. There is no emergency in this scenario.

 

Exigent or unusual would be more appropriate words.

[Boytjie]

Sorry, you are right, I should have also included renewing a passport. The child born overseas is issued a special in-transit passport, not a full passport. A friend had a child while living in Germany a few years ago and the passport for her child was only good for return to the US and only for a certain number of days from issue.

 

I have not seen anything on the State Department that indicates that, but maybe you are correct or maybe there were special circumstances for that case.

 

I never said that the people on the Dream need to get passports, all I said was that they should be subject to the same level of scrutiny as anyone returning to the US by air without a passport.

 

But they don';t need the same level scrutiny as those that have no passport: the law allows for waivers in unusual circumstances (which apparently this is). You just don't like the law as it is written. Get over it.

 

And no, Carnival hasn't changed any laws.

[Cruisin Kay D]

Celebrity has wasted no time jumping in to lure cruisers away from the Carnival Corp. mess with 3 fabulous "extras" -- free classic drink package (value $44 per day per person, beers up to $5 + wine/mixed drinks up to $8) -OR- free gratuities -OR- free onboard credit for cruises from June 3013 to March 2014 -- if one books European cruise, you get to choose 2 of the 3 "extras".

[skyeman27]

It weakens our already collapsing borders, I'm surprised you don't all see that.

 

 

Oh please, I don't see it and most of the other forum responders don't see it either, you have chosen indefensible position...

[airmj2123]

The numbers are funny. Logically any ship that is mechanically driven has a chance to fail. No matter what name is on the ship. Some cruise lines travel alot more and have alot more passengers then others therefore chances of something happening to more people increases, thus all these reports.

 

Ive been reading alot about incidents on cruise ships. Its better to be on a stuck ship then on a ship that people fall from or die on. It happens to even the most expensive cruise lines.

 

These mechanical incidents will not change at all how i choose a cruise. Just my .02 :)

 

When 3 ships in a fleet aren't functioning correctly at the same time, it is more than just luck or size of the fleet. The odds are very very very very very low that this could happen by chance (too lazy to go into stats behind it but will gladly if next student fails to show for office hours).

[Tutankhamen]

Passports:

 

Traveling abroad without a Passport, whether cruise line requires it or not, is stupid. I am willing to bet that those on the Dream without Passports will end up costing the tax payers money. Extra steps needed to process these people will cost extra money.

 

Get a passport. If you do not have one, you should be obligated to pay a fine if you find yourself in a foreign country and needing to fly into the USA.

[alexr54]

When 3 ships in a fleet aren't functioning correctly at the same time, it is more than just luck or size of the fleet. The odds are very very very very very low that this could happen by chance (too lazy to go into stats behind it but will gladly if next student fails to show for office hours).

 

Yup i am in no way trying to defend carnival. They definitely screwed up big alot recently. Not sure if its maintenance or what...

 

But at the same time, i believe this can happen to any cruise line at any given time. So for me personally, i will not let recent events weight on my decision of a cruise line to pick.

 

I don't think anyone has the real facts yet as to why these things have happened. Is it cost cuts? Is it bad personnel? Is it pure mechanical failure?

 

Until all these things are known, the percentages of chances this happening to you on a carnival ship compared to any other cruise line is all speculation and no fact. So to me the numbers are funny.

[alexr54]

Passports:

 

Traveling abroad without a Passport, whether cruise line requires it or not, is stupid. I am willing to bet that those on the Dream without Passports will end up costing the tax payers money. Extra steps needed to process these people will cost extra money.

 

Get a passport. If you do not have one, you should be obligated to pay a fine if you find yourself in a foreign country and needing to fly into the USA.

 

+1

 

Not very smart traveling abroad without a passport. You will have a hard time coming back home. Easy to get out of USA though.

[alexr54]

Celebrity has wasted no time jumping in to lure cruisers away from the Carnival Corp. mess with 3 fabulous "extras" -- free classic drink package (value $44 per day per person, beers up to $5 + wine/mixed drinks up to $8) -OR- free gratuities -OR- free onboard credit for cruises from June 3013 to March 2014 -- if one books European cruise, you get to choose 2 of the 3 "extras".

 

Same with NCL.

 

Free balcony upgrades.

Airfare credit

Onboard credit

And 50% off kids in EU and Alaska cruises.

[OCruisers]

sakapfet .... Loved your cartoons!

 

LuLu

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[sparks1093]

Passports:

 

Traveling abroad without a Passport, whether cruise line requires it or not, is stupid. I am willing to bet that those on the Dream without Passports will end up costing the tax payers money. Extra steps needed to process these people will cost extra money.

 

Get a passport. If you do not have one, you should be obligated to pay a fine if you find yourself in a foreign country and needing to fly into the USA.

 

It's not going to cost the taxpayers any more than it would have cost to process them at the port. That's rich though, tell people that they can do something and then fine them when through no fault of their own things go bad. (And with all due respect, no, I am not getting a passport just because you tell me to.)

[cmhatter]

2 days at sea are better than 2 days on the beach? What planet do you live on?

 

Do you really think they are on the beach? No they are waiting in long lines to try to figure out how to get home. It's not magic.

[Tutankhamen]

It's not going to cost the taxpayers any more than it would have cost to process them at the port.

Proof please.

That's rich though, tell people that they can do something and then fine them when through no fault of their own things go bad

 

There are many many things in life that are not required by the government, but do have financial consequences when things go wrong. I could give you many examples if you aren't able to come up with a few on your own.

[airmj2123]

Yup i am in no way trying to defend carnival. They definitely screwed up big alot recently. Not sure if its maintenance or what...

 

But at the same time, i believe this can happen to any cruise line at any given time. So for me personally, i will not let recent events weight on my decision of a cruise line to pick.

 

I don't think anyone has the real facts yet as to why these things have happened. Is it cost cuts? Is it bad personnel? Is it pure mechanical failure?

 

Until all these things are known, the percentages of chances this happening to you on a carnival ship compared to any other cruise line is all speculation and no fact. So to me the numbers are funny.

 

No idea what root problem is... Just saying there is a problem (if I could get my hands on a good data set, I could do all this fairly quickly but I haven't found one yet). I would venture a guess (complete and total guess based off what was posted in another thread) that the average number of incidents involving mechanical failures on the average ship is likely 2 per year. And based off that guess (which seems high), having three ships out at once is not very likely (probability of basically 0).

[Cruisin Kay D]

This was posted on TravelTalkOnLine this morning about traffic in St. Marteen going to the airport:

 

"....@ 8:00 this morning until now (10:00) and buses along with a police escort are being used to transport passengers to the airport...and once the 9:30 bridge opened, the buses went round all the backed up cars...the airport should be chaos...."

 

And this webcam on Dream shows some people at pool.....

http://www.kroooz-cams.com/carnival/dream/dream2.php

[Cyber Kat]

My comment was sarcasm based on the fact that a PAX actually phoned into the USCG from STX at 3 in the morning.

 

Ive got alot of friends still active duty in the USN/USMC and a few USCG( district 11 command desk jockies:rolleyes:) BUt Im sure I wouldnt be calling any of them about an overflowed commode.

And even if I did, not sure it would get answered or an immediate response

 

LOL - I think if I had an overflowing commode, I'd be calling guest services instead of the USCG. What did he expect them to do sail out and fix his toilet ;)

[RVman]

Hey people I could care less about Carnival but they have cut back to keep the cost of your cruise down. If you are not happy with them, leave them. There is always Seabourn and others like them out there.

[YOW]

Here's a thread from another forum about the airlift underway:

 

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5714232/1/#1

 

Looks like Carnival have contracted with Delta again; unknown at this point how many charter flights over how many days, as some pax would have been put on scheduled flights as well.

[sparks1093]

Proof please.

 

You wouldn't accept my proof because it's based on my own knowledge.

 

There are many many things in life that are not required by the government, but do have financial consequences when things go wrong. I could give you many examples if you aren't able to come up with a few on your own.

 

There is a difference between the natural financial consequences associated with doing something and a fine levied by a government agency. If you miss a ship in port the financial consequences would be paying for a flight, getting a hotel room until said flight leaves, buying food, etc. Those financial consequences are going to be the same if you have a passport or not (although someone without a passport might face a longer stay in a hotel room).

[greg-nc]

No idea what root problem is... Just saying there is a problem (if I could get my hands on a good data set, I could do all this fairly quickly but I haven't found one yet). I would venture a guess (complete and total guess based off what was posted in another thread) that the average number of incidents involving mechanical failures on the average ship is likely 2 per year. And based off that guess (which seems high), having three ships out at once is not very likely (probability of basically 0).

 

The root problem is that Carnival is fundamentally unsafe to sail on. CCL minimizes the maintenance on their ships to save money and the underlying design of the ships have significant flaws.

[dwjoe]

I didn't say there was. A foreign consulate can't issue a first time passport, they can only reissue lost or stolen passports, so your point is moot.

This is not accurate.

 

A US Consulate can issue first time passports.

 

Here is the procedure for the US consulate in Curacao which has jurisdiction over St Maarten.

 

http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/first-time_applicants.html

[dwjoe]

To put that in perspective:

 

13% of Carnivals ships are having some major issues.

8% Have had to cancel cruises do to major issues.

It seems like the better stat would be % of sailings having major issues.

[yogimax]

Hey people I could care less about Carnival but they have cut back to keep the cost of your cruise down.

 

So you would approve if Delta Airlines cut back on their maintenance program to keep the cost of our flights down?

[Tutankhamen]

There is a difference between the natural financial consequences associated with doing something and a fine levied by a government agency. If you miss a ship in port the financial consequences would be paying for a flight, getting a hotel room until said flight leaves, buying food, etc. Those financial consequences are going to be the same if you have a passport or not (although someone without a passport might face a longer stay in a hotel room).

 

 

I am big enough to admit that I am wrong. They should not be charged a fine. They should just be charged a fee for having to go through a different process then anyone else that is flying in to the USA.

 

Please enlighten me to the process of admitting citizens into the USA without a passport at the airport? I have not been through this process, and will not be in the process as I choose to carry a Passport while outside the USA.