Cable Car Plans White Bay to Barangaroo

[cruisine21]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/harbours-cable-car-plan-aims-high-with-barangaroo-cruise-and-casino-connections/story-fni0cx12-1227388695096

 

 

• Cable car to transport people from White Bay to Barangaroo
  
• The trip would take less than five minutes
  
• Among the five stops would be a station on top of the Star casino
  
• Expected to be a tourist attraction to rival climbing the Harbour Bridge
  

 

Not sure how this would work. Imagine getting off the cable car at Barangaroo with luggage. Perhaps they could extend it to Circular Quay. :confused::confused:

[Wastegirl]

Not being a Sydneysider I may be completely wrong, but wouldn't it be simpler and much cheaper just to construct a small ferry terminal next to the cruise terminal and have a ferry visit there regularly on cruise ship days and irregularly on other days. A ferry service would be able to take quite a large crowd of people and would still be very scenic and connect everyone to the facilities at Circular Quay.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Apparently they didn't leave enough room for a ferry terminal :rolleyes: and/or didn't want to spend the money on one :rolleyes:

Edited June 9, 2015 by OzKiwiJJ

[GUT2407]

Not being a Sydneysider I may be completely wrong, but wouldn't it be simpler and much cheaper just to construct a small ferry terminal next to the cruise terminal and have a ferry visit there regularly on cruise ship days and irregularly on other days. A ferry service would be able to take quite a large crowd of people and would still be very scenic and connect everyone to the facilities at Circular Quay.

 

 

Yep.

 

But it would deliver people to JP's front door.

[GUT2407]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/harbours-cable-car-plan-aims-high-with-barangaroo-cruise-and-casino-connections/story-fni0cx12-1227388695096

 

 

• Cable car to transport people from White Bay to Barangaroo
  
• The trip would take less than five minutes
  
• Among the five stops would be a station on top of the Star casino
  
• Expected to be a tourist attraction to rival climbing the Harbour Bridge
  

 

Not sure how this would work. Imagine getting off the cable car at Barangaroo with luggage. Perhaps they could extend it to Circular Quay. :confused::confused:

 

 

And how high will it have to be to allow ships to pass under.

Edited June 9, 2015 by GUT2407

[gbenjo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/harbours-cable-car-plan-aims-high-with-barangaroo-cruise-and-casino-connections/story-fni0cx12-1227388695096

 

 

• Cable car to transport people from White Bay to Barangaroo
  
• The trip would take less than five minutes
  
• Among the five stops would be a station on top of the Star casino
  
• Expected to be a tourist attraction to rival climbing the Harbour Bridge
  

 

Not sure how this would work. Imagine getting off the cable car at Barangaroo with luggage. Perhaps they could extend it to Circular Quay. :confused::confused:

 

You would not get off the cable car at Barangaroo that is where you would get on, which means you would first have to get to Barangaroo by cab bus or whatever , then get the cable car to White Bay, hardly a viable alternative, more like just another way of getting more suckers to the casinos....oh well...back to square one.:(

[GUT2407]

And how high will it have to be to allow ships to pass under.

 

 

And flowing on from that how do you get from the terminal to the point you board the cable car?

[cruisine21]

You would not get off the cable car at Barangaroo that is where you would get on, which means you would first have to get to Barangaroo by cab bus or whatever , then get the cable car to White Bay, hardly a viable alternative, more like just another way of getting more suckers to the casinos....oh well...back to square one.:(

 

If you were coming from Western Sydney and other areas you get on at Rozelle Bay like we do now with the Light Rail though you might as well just drive up the road to White Bay.

 

I could just see all the Balmain residents loving the idea of a cable car going over their house.

Edited June 9, 2015 by cruisine21

[OzKiwiJJ]

You would not get off the cable car at Barangaroo that is where you would get on, which means you would first have to get to Barangaroo by cab bus or whatever , then get the cable car to White Bay, hardly a viable alternative, more like just another way of getting more suckers to the casinos....oh well...back to square one.:(

 

Um, why couldn't you get off at Barangaroo? Start point for those heading to White Bay and end point for those leaving a cruise. I would imagine that there would be lifts or escalators to take people up to the cable car stations, depending on how high they are. And Barangaroo is getting a direct underground link to Wynyard Station, they've been building that for a couple of years I think.

 

It may never happen but something has to be done to provide decent transport to the CBD from White Bay.

[MicCanberra]

The concept, although not perfect has it's merits.:D

[The_Big_M]

I don't mind the idea.

 

I question the viability... but that's not my problem. But of course it could then become something like $20+/head for a trip from the city to the wharf (especially as it becomes an attraction in itself).

[MicCanberra]

Another issue is if it only takes ten people, how many can it take if they have luggage?

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Another issue is if it only takes ten people, how many can it take if they have luggage?

 

......and how long would the line be on a turnaround day ,

when hundreds of passengers all want to use it at the same time ?

:rolleyes::eek::D

 

 

[Vader1111]

Surely this has to be an April Fools joke. Pity they chose to play it in June.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Another issue is if it only takes ten people, how many can it take if they have luggage?

 

That's ten people per car, and modern cable car systems would have the capacity to move a car every 2-3 minutes maybe, so 2000-3000 people per hour. Even at half that capacity it would only take a couple of hours to move the whole passenger list of most ships that can dock at White Bay.

 

But realistically, those with a lot of luggage would take a shuttle or a taxi, as usual. What it would allow is easy access to the city for transit passengers and those who travel light.

[MicCanberra]

That's ten people per car, and modern cable car systems would have the capacity to move a car every 2-3 minutes maybe, so 2000-3000 people per hour. Even at half that capacity it would only take a couple of hours to move the whole passenger list of most ships that can dock at White Bay.

 

But realistically, those with a lot of luggage would take a shuttle or a taxi, as usual. What it would allow is easy access to the city for transit passengers and those who travel light.

 

That makes sense. Although if the people who live in Sydney are using it as well then you have the situation where the gondolas are already full or close to it before they even get to the White Bay stop.

[OzKiwiJJ]

That makes sense. Although if the people who live in Sydney are using it as well then you have the situation where the gondolas are already full or close to it before they even get to the White Bay stop.

 

That's a possibility for disembarkations, as that clashes with people going to work. Transit passengers are less likely to head off the ship very early, unless they are going on a tour and in that case would be picked up at the cruise terminal directly. So by the time the transit passengers want to wander into the city the busy period will be slackening off.

 

Also I just realised, the proposed Roselle Bay stop links to the light rail, which in turn links to Central Station so easy access to the airport that way too.

 

I think the idea is feasible, but am in two minds as to whether it is practical. Something has to be done to provide a decent alternative transport option for White Bay, that's for sure.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

What they could do is build a Mono rail .

They are much easier to use with luggage than a cable car.

 

[GUT2407]

That's a possibility for disembarkations, as that clashes with people going to work. Transit passengers are less likely to head off the ship very early, unless they are going on a tour and in that case would be picked up at the cruise terminal directly. So by the time the transit passengers want to wander into the city the busy period will be slackening off.

 

Also I just realised, the proposed Roselle Bay stop links to the light rail, which in turn links to Central Station so easy access to the airport that way too.

 

I think the idea is feasible, but am in two minds as to whether it is practical. Something has to be done to provide a decent alternative transport option for White Bay, that's for sure.

 

 

I'm concerned about the practicality.

 

Ship to cable car

 

Cable Car to Light Rail or new underground

 

That to train at central.

[GUT2407]

Also who will actually use it??

 

Passengers from White bay.

 

Tourists.

 

Locals?

 

Extending the light rail would in my opinion be a better option.

[GUT2407]

What they could do is build a Mono rail .

They are much easier to use with luggage than a cable car.

 

 

 

They ripped the old one out, they could have extended it or redirected it.

 

However it looks like Sydney has gone (is going) down the light rail pat6h so just extend it to include White Elephant, then it may become White Bay.

 

I continue to have concerns about ships passing under the cable car.

[MicCanberra]

That's a possibility for disembarkations, as that clashes with people going to work. Transit passengers are less likely to head off the ship very early, unless they are going on a tour and in that case would be picked up at the cruise terminal directly. So by the time the transit passengers want to wander into the city the busy period will be slackening off.

 

Also I just realised, the proposed Roselle Bay stop links to the light rail, which in turn links to Central Station so easy access to the airport that way too.

 

I think the idea is feasible, but am in two minds as to whether it is practical. Something has to be done to provide a decent alternative transport option for White Bay, that's for sure.

 

Good points, like you said, the majority of people will not be dragging their luggage around as they would rather get a cab or shuttle straight to the airport or destination. Catching several forms of transport and lugging bags can be such a hassle.

[MicCanberra]

What they could do is build a Mono rail .

They are much easier to use with luggage than a cable car.

 

 

I think the cable cars or more light rail are a better option than the monorail.

[MicCanberra]

I continue to have concerns about ships passing under the cable car.

 

With the proposed route, I am sure that height (or lack of it) will not be an issue.:D

[OzKiwiJJ]

I don't mind the idea.

 

I question the viability... but that's not my problem. But of course it could then become something like $20+/head for a trip from the city to the wharf (especially as it becomes an attraction in itself).

 

I hope they include it as an Opal Card option. If they expect locals to use it to get to work they would have to.