Vitamin_Sea Posted August 15, 2015 Author #26 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I don't think they were selling out the Splendor.Made more sense to move her to Miami. Living in New England my entire life (groan), I kind of get it. I personally wouldn't want to sail out of NYC in the dead of winter. You will freeze the first two days going down, and the last two days coming back. That is not an enjoyable cruise to me. I'd rather sail out of Miami/Florida.:D:D Sure, spending an extra 500-1000 bucks on flights will take you to warm weather. Then going a day early and paying a hotel. screw all that. I would rather just take a taxi to the port and have 2 1/2 days of cold weather outside of the ship :) much better value for me to have the ship take me to warm weather, Edited August 15, 2015 by Vitamin_Sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinparamedic Posted August 15, 2015 #27 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I would totally sail out of NYC in the winter. I sailed out of Baltimore once in February (only a 4-5 hour drive) and the cold didn't bother us a bit! Most of the cruise was nice weather, and as it was pointed out before - we got to enjoy the ship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsTabbyKats Posted August 15, 2015 #28 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Sure, spending an extra 500-1000 bucks on flights will take you to warm weather.I would rather just take a taxi to the port and have 2 1/2 days of cold weather outside of the ship :) much better value for me to have the ship take me to warm weather, Yeah...but as I said...last winter there were many days when you couldn't "just take a taxi" (of course, you couldn't have just taken a taxi to the airport either). The cruise out of NYC is a good value...as far as "the cruise"...but it won't be sunbathing weather. The cruiseline can afford to lower the rates because indoors means more money from other activities (drinks, gambling etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted August 15, 2015 Author #29 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yeah...but as I said...last winter there were many days when you couldn't "just take a taxi" (of course, you couldn't have just taken a taxi to the airport either). The cruise out of NYC is a good value...as far as "the cruise"...but it won't be sunbathing weather. The cruiseline can afford to lower the rates because indoors means more money from other activities (drinks, gambling etc). Yes, Its a good value for the tri-state folks. People that would rather keep expenses down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love my grandkids Posted August 15, 2015 #30 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Maybe thats the issue. Cant see why CCL would just roll over and play dead :confused: Probably because their newer ships perform better financially sailing out of Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted August 15, 2015 Author #31 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Probably because their newer ships perform better financially sailing out of Florida. NYC should have a newer class ship though to compete with NCL Breakaway and RCCL Anthem Splendor was not to old though. SMH CCL mostly uses the old Fantasy ship in FLA i see Edited August 15, 2015 by Vitamin_Sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joepeka Posted August 15, 2015 #32 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) NYC should have a newer class ship though to compete with NCL Breakaway and RCCL Anthem Splendor was not to old though. SMH CCL mostly uses the old Fantasy ship in FLA i see Carnival does have a fair number of the Fantasy class ships sailing from Florida but in just doing a quick search of the Florida departures for this coming December I see Conquest, Glory, Valor, Breeze, Sunshine, Splendor, etc. so there are quite a few newer (much newer than Fantasy class), larger ships sailing from Florida. Edited August 15, 2015 by joepeka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Kat Posted August 15, 2015 #33 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Why would someone traveling for a cruise want to fly to cold NY when they can fly into warm FL? I would never want to go north for a cruise during winter. Because quite a number of us who cruise out of NYC do NOT fly to cruise - we just drive into the city. I would absolutely cruise of NYC in the winter. I don't want to get on a plane to fly to somewhere to get on a ship. If I'm getting on a plane, I'm going somewhere to stay. I would love a longer cruise out of NYC in the winter - one that went further south into the Caribbean. I could deal with a few cold days on the ship. There are always things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Kat Posted August 15, 2015 #34 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Too many icebergs in New York Harbor? Too darn cold to sail from NY. Icebergs in NY harbor - seriously??? I live here - we don't get icebergs. Sometimes if it's really cold for a long time, you will see ice north of the Tappan Zee Bridge - but NY harbor is used for all kinds of shipping - all winter long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantthinkofanythingfun Posted August 15, 2015 #35 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I've sailed out of NYC twice in the winter and am doing it again this October. It's a great port within driving distance for tens of millions of people with some of the highest incomes in the nation. Carnival can't compete there unless they put a ship there that can compete with the Breakaway or Anthem. They currently don't have a ship like that. The Vista class will be close, but it doesn't sound like they are planning on putting either one in NYC year round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love my grandkids Posted August 15, 2015 #36 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I've sailed out of NYC twice in the winter and am doing it again this October. It's a great port within driving distance for tens of millions of people with some of the highest incomes in the nation. Carnival can't compete there unless they put a ship there that can compete with the Breakaway or Anthem. They currently don't have a ship like that. The Vista class will be close, but it doesn't sound like they are planning on putting either one in NYC year round. They are basically conceding that market to their competitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierpop Posted August 15, 2015 #37 Share Posted August 15, 2015 My guess is it comes down to profit margin. Carnival should cruise out of whatever ports have the highest margins. But I don't think it's anything against NYC. But I do get the frustration for people up north. That's why ya'll should move down south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budget Queen Posted August 15, 2015 #38 Share Posted August 15, 2015 It is about money. :) the 1 1/2 years ago they did sail year round, had, give away fares between Nov- Mar. REAL easy to get $399 AND under, most any week. Sure people are claiming "but other lines sail in the winter", they have the market, and believe me, they have plenty of off weeks of low prices. But that number of cruise ships, must be sustainable. Add another ship with 2000+ passengers, on a lacking ship, over saturated. I absolutely see why they pulled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Dutch Girl Posted August 15, 2015 #39 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'd rather go skiing in the winter...if I'm going to be cold it won't be sitting next to an indoor swimming pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakersdozen12 Posted August 15, 2015 #40 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Many Folks from the Tri-state area would like to. RCCL and NCL have no problem filling the demand SMH But the problem is, can cruises really sell out with just locals? I'm guessing that they need to rely on people flying in from other locations, and who really wants to fly into NY in January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantthinkofanythingfun Posted August 15, 2015 #41 Share Posted August 15, 2015 But the problem is, can cruises really sell out with just locals? I'm guessing that they need to rely on people flying in from other locations, and who really wants to fly into NY in January? The local population is huge though. Flying anywhere is a crapshoot in the winter. The cruises I have taken from NYC in the winter were booked to capacity, and mostly local cruisers. I also noticed quite a few international travelers. The lines running out of NYC offer newer destination ships with tons to do on those cold days, or they offer longer cruises. These seem to be things that Carnival shys away from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmak8 Posted August 15, 2015 #42 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Flying out of NY in the winter gets very iffy. I've sailed on the Splendor, on the Breakaway and Gem in the winter. Even did B2B cruises. LOVED every cruise.Wish CCL would sail from NY. It all boils down to money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted August 15, 2015 #43 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I think RCCL and NCL both pushed Carnival out, both dominate the Bermuda market. One sails to the Bahamas the other does long Caribbean cruises. A smaller ship like a Spirit Class ship could probably work, as seen before but new ships is what is being pushed. Just my two cents is all. :) Nobody sails to Bermuda in the winter..... They tried sailing the winter with Splendor, it sailed non full and highly discounted. Too long to get to warm weather. I would not even sail from Baltimore in the winter. I think it little to zero to do with product. Carnival sails from New York seasonally, which imho is what it should be. NCL pushed nobody out, including Carnival. QOTS and AOTS are a different product....where else can you spend $14.50 on a pina colada. Edited August 15, 2015 by jimbo5544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted August 15, 2015 #44 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hi KPfromCT :) I agree. The 1st two days & last 2 days are a lil rough. Here is the Splendor in New York in the thick of winter. :eek: Pretty enticing picture. There was another somebody posted from the Pride in Baltimore and the cabin steward shoveling snow off the balconies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPERBKWRITER Posted August 15, 2015 #45 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Has to be about money but NCL/RCCL/Cunard run there ships.:confused: FFS People like me who have to fly in are afraid of the winter weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omarchs Posted August 15, 2015 #46 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Have sailed many times out of nyc in the winter for the convenience. Even sailed out through a blizzard where getting out of an airport would be impossible. I don't want to deal with expensive flights and possible flight cancellations/delays during the winter so I will continue taking cruises out of nyc during the winter to get any warm days I can. I have taken Carnival, Royal and Ncl during the winter and enjoyed them all. The Royal Quantum class were built for the cold weather and had a very well insulated pool with a retractable roof and a huge indoor solarium so there was plenty of indoor lounging space in the cold weather. The Splendor covered pool was not well insulated and not really usable during the cold weather days so there is something to be said for a newer ship. I love sailing on Carnival, but they lose my business during the winter by avoiding the New York market, but obviously financially it works for them sailing elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampbabe Posted August 15, 2015 #47 Share Posted August 15, 2015 My guess is it comes down to profit margin. Carnival should cruise out of whatever ports have the highest margins. But I don't think it's anything against NYC. But I do get the frustration for people up north. That's why ya'll should move down south. No, please don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Kat Posted August 16, 2015 #48 Share Posted August 16, 2015 No, please don't. LOL - I wouldn't move south if you paid me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eng23 Posted August 16, 2015 #49 Share Posted August 16, 2015 They sail out of Baltimore I think They do and here's what it looked like on the Pride last March: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted August 16, 2015 Author #50 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Have sailed many times out of nyc in the winter for the convenience. Even sailed out through a blizzard where getting out of an airport would be impossible. I don't want to deal with expensive flights and possible flight cancellations/delays during the winter so I will continue taking cruises out of nyc during the winter to get any warm days I can. I have taken Carnival, Royal and Ncl during the winter and enjoyed them all. The Royal Quantum class were built for the cold weather and had a very well insulated pool with a retractable roof and a huge indoor solarium so there was plenty of indoor lounging space in the cold weather. The Splendor covered pool was not well insulated and not really usable during the cold weather days so there is something to be said for a newer ship. I love sailing on Carnival, but they lose my business during the winter by avoiding the New York market, but obviously financially it works for them sailing elsewhere. I agree with you. I will wait for price drops and book the other lines. The heck with flights, hotels and all the hassle, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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