Ocean Boy Posted March 1, 2016 #401 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I've seen so many weird things. The guy pouring milk from his glass back into the pitcher really took the cake. "Good grief," I thought, "now I'm going to have to find someone to take care of this." But fortunately, a crew member hurried up and carried it away as soon as the passenger put it back on the counter. When we were on Oasis about a month ago we were in the Solarium Cafe for lunch. This kid, who I would estimate to be about 10 years old, is by the dessert station. He picks up a cup of whatever it was, smells it, and then puts it back. Maybe during muster drill they should include instructions on proper behavior when using the buffets aboard ship and include that parents are responsible for the actions of their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 1, 2016 #402 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Could that someone possibly be some of the 1000+ crew members aboard each ship? The statement that "someone was sick and came onboard and infected others" is not quite correct. You could have noro and not pass it to anyone else if you practice good personal hygiene. Could a crew member have brought it onboard? As I posted before, sure. But then that person's poor hygiene would continue to reinfect the ship every cruise, which is not what you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 1, 2016 #403 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Was this a damp cloth used to wipe the table down? It usually is, and it is not just water that is in the bucket where the rag is kept. It is a 100ppm chlorine solution, which has a contact time to kill noro in about 30 seconds. I didn't know this and I am really glad to read it. I always thought wiping down the table with a damp rag was to make it look ok. I always grab an extra napkin on the way in and use it as a table cloth to keep what I am using off of the surface of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred30 Posted March 1, 2016 #404 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Was this a damp cloth used to wipe the table down? It usually is, and it is not just water that is in the bucket where the rag is kept. It is a 100ppm chlorine solution, which has a contact time to kill noro in about 30 seconds. Is this only used during Noro Outbreaks because I have never smelled Chlorine yet on a cruise. At 100 PPM everyone would be smelling chlorine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 1, 2016 #405 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) The statement that "someone was sick and came onboard and infected others" is not quite correct. You could have noro and not pass it to anyone else if you practice good personal hygiene. Could a crew member have brought it onboard? As I posted before, sure. But then that person's poor hygiene would continue to reinfect the ship every cruise, which is not what you see. The average duration of illness is typically from 12-60 hrs. and slightly longer to fully clear the virus though some people do shed the virus from the gut for some time after resolution of symptoms. A crew member bringing the virus aboard could easily clear it in a week and not be speading it during the next cruise. Edited March 1, 2016 by Ocean Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyitsmema Posted March 1, 2016 #406 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yes it could. Could also be the Customs and Immigration Agents that are invited to have lunch in the WJ after they are done. Also local Travel Agents that can visit the ship while the ship is in port.Passengers are not always to blame. We witnessed a group of Travel Agencies visiting the WJ on Jewel while we were docked in San Francisco in September who should have been the poster children for what not to do at a buffet. They were eating opera cake with their fingers while deciding what dessert to take next. One lovely lady then licked her fingers clean, took the server out of the opera cake to then get a piece fruit crumble but was careful to slide the server back under the opera cake slices when she had what she wanted. Needless to say, we skipped dessert that day.:eek::rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxgoodrich Posted March 1, 2016 #407 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) When we were on Oasis about a month ago we were in the Solarium Cafe for lunch. This kid, who I would estimate to be about 10 years old, is by the dessert station. He picks up a cup of whatever it was, smells it, and then puts it back. Maybe during muster drill they should include instructions on proper behavior when using the buffets aboard ship and include that parents are responsible for the actions of their kids. I agree! I've seen some truly cringeworthy buffet behavior on ships. People need to be reminded, educated, and instructed on proper buffet behavior. The worst thing I ever saw was in the Windjammer several years ago, and it was an adult, not a kid. It was Day 1 lunch and WJ was crowded. I was waiting in a bit of a line to get to the mashed potatoes and green beans, and there was also a container of some kind of goulash type dish at that buffet station. A serving spoon was resting on a small plate in front of the pan. The woman in front of me dragged her finger across the residue on the spoon and then licked her finger to taste it. OMG! I was horrified! She moved on and I 'accidentally' knocked that spoon off the plate onto the floor. (Oops!) An attendant saw the spoon fall and brought a clean one. After I saw that I have been less than enthused about WJ meals. Judy Edited March 1, 2016 by foxgoodrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachstew7 Posted March 1, 2016 #408 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I just heard it the virus that bring back the ship someone posted that there a st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted March 1, 2016 #409 Share Posted March 1, 2016 ... She moved on and I 'accidentally' knocked that spoon off the plate onto the floor. (Oops!)... Good move!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted March 1, 2016 #410 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Thanks for posting that, Patti! Do you know when Captain Andersen will be back aboard?Judy All I know is that he will be returning to Anthem, I just don't know when. Update: From a very reliable source on Anthem, I just learned that Captain Claus is returning to Anthem tomorrow!!!:D:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted March 1, 2016 #411 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Update: From a very reliable source on Anthem, I just learned that Captain Claus is returning to Anthem tomorrow!!!:D:D:D Great news, thanks Patti.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted March 1, 2016 #412 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Great news, thanks Patti.:) You're welcome. Poor guy. He left a battered ship (that was fixed) only to return to a sick ship (that has be completely sanitized). He just can't catch a break!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nana57 Posted March 1, 2016 #413 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Do they ever delay other cruise lines coming out of New York and returning bc of storms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxgoodrich Posted March 1, 2016 #414 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Update: From a very reliable source on Anthem, I just learned that Captain Claus is returning to Anthem tomorrow!!!:D:D:D That's great news! I'm glad to know he's coming back quickly. Thanks for the info... Judy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxgoodrich Posted March 1, 2016 #415 Share Posted March 1, 2016 You're welcome. Poor guy. He left a battered ship (that was fixed) only to return to a sick ship (that has be completely sanitized). He just can't catch a break!!! At least now he knows the USCG and NTSB report praised his actions on the 2/6 cruise. Maybe he'll catch a break this week since they have an extra day without passengers to do all that sanitizing. Hoping the next cruise will be virus free and smooth sailing!! Judy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 1, 2016 #416 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Is this only used during Noro Outbreaks because I have never smelled Chlorine yet on a cruise. At 100 PPM everyone would be smelling chlorine. No, this is an everyday requirement of USPH. In fact, the buckets are routinely checked by sanitation supervisors with test strips to ensure the proper concentration still exists. 100ppm is about a capful (from a bleach bottle) in a 3 gallon bucket. Edited March 1, 2016 by chengkp75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpufrost Posted March 1, 2016 #417 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Do they ever delay other cruise lines coming out of New York and returning bc of storms? Yes they do. October 28, 2012 the port was closed to all marine traffic. (Sandy) Feb 12, 2006 (Blizzard) caused NCL Dawn to not sail as scheduled. They spent the night @anchor in the channel. It's rare, but it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISABELLA Posted March 1, 2016 #418 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Exactly right. There are hand sanitizer stations EVERYWHERE! It's the passengers who don't use them that allow this to spread. Sanitizers do not kill NORO. You must wash your hands with soap and hot water for at least 20 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 1, 2016 #419 Share Posted March 1, 2016 The average duration of illness is typically from 12-60 hrs. and slightly longer to fully clear the virus though some people do shed the virus from the gut for some time after resolution of symptoms. A crew member bringing the virus aboard could easily clear it in a week and not be speading it during the next cruise. But as I said, that crew member's personal hygiene would be such that they would be continually reinfecting themselves and others. As I've said, the crew is not entirely blameless, but with crew being onboard for extended periods, if they were the primary transmission vector, there would be many repeat outbreaks. I've seen the CDC reports where they trace back outbreaks to one or two people who most likely brought it onboard, and their statistical analysis of epidemiology is pretty impressive, just from the answers on the questionnaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinyork Posted March 1, 2016 #420 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Great news, thanks Patti.:) Remember him from our Autumn Anthem cruise and his announcements which always began 'der guests, der crew" Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted March 1, 2016 #421 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Could that someone possibly be some of the 1000+ crew members aboard each ship? I think it was the virus in the dining room with a spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzaholic41 Posted March 1, 2016 #422 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Unfortunately, Norovirus is notorious for not being susceptible to the hand sanitizers. I think it gives people a false sense of security using the gels and sprays at every turn. Exactly. Such as this person..... Exactly right. There are hand sanitizer stations EVERYWHERE! It's the passengers who don't use them that allow this to spread. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted March 1, 2016 #423 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yeah, well, a computer keyboard is worse than most toilet seats, Maybe the ship should use a better anti-virus program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsgo 2 Posted March 1, 2016 #424 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I think RCCL should be reconsidering Bayonne for Anthem in Winter cruising. Better to do the Caribbean from Florida in Winter and go back North for Spring - Fall. Florida doesn't have a quantum class ship at all. Ncl Gem and Breakaway both leave in the Winter months to the Caribbeans,and somehow manage to go around storms ! and not right through them, maybe hitting a bit rough seas but nothing to cause a cruise to be canceled. Marion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 1, 2016 #425 Share Posted March 1, 2016 This cruise is now listed on the CDC site http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/surv/outbreak/2016/february21_anthem_of_seas.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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