Balcony Smokers on Allure

[time4u2go]

I hate smoking, it's a nasty habit and it stinks.

 

That being said, realistically how is it any more dangerous to smoke on your balcony vs 2-3 floors up leaning over the same edge? Either way ash could fall and catch the edge of the ship. People use this as reasonings but I fail to see how it is any different.

 

Same with the casino. How is it safer to smoke in the casino. Ash could still fall and catch something on fire.

 

Point being that someone smoking can cause a fire no matter where they are smoking. And acting like its so much more dangerous being on their private balcony makes no sense.

 

People smoking on that upper deck typically aren't leaning over the edge. There's a sprinkler system in the casino (and a lot of people there to notice and take action if a fire did occur).

[Snit13]

I know what you are saying. We follow the rules ALL of the time...but I am NOT ...NOR do we EVER care about those that do not. Why would I waste my time and energy on people that don't? It will never end with rule breakers, so why should I get upset about it? We have much better things to do than count the smokers.

 

Would you be upset if the ship caught on fire aka STAR PRINCESS and your life was in danger from a balcony smoker not following the rules?

[maryjaden]

At the risk of getting flamed.......I am a smoker, I do follow the rules. But I was curious......for all the years there was smoking allowed on balconies was there ever a fire? I guess I assumed the the no smoking rule was put into place for the comfort of the majority of the cruisers rather than safety.

[Merion_Mom]

At the risk of getting flamed.......I am a smoker, I do follow the rules. But I was curious......for all the years there was smoking allowed on balconies was there ever a fire? I guess I assumed the the no smoking rule was put into place for the comfort of the majority of the cruisers rather than safety.

 

The Star Princess, April 2006:

 

[maryjaden]

Merion Mom,

Thank you. I had never seen this.

[mufc99]

Even though I'm a non smoker I know a common thing the smokers do, is flicking the ash in a glass of water and putting it out in the same water is a common trait - so the chances of starting a fire, on a balcony, on a mainly steel ship is a billion to one chance.

 

Making people hide and smoke inside the cabin obviously does increase the risk!

 

I think rudeness on a cruise is the biggest annoyance! (ok some will say smoking is rude) :-)

Edited April 23, 2016 by mufc99

[Hidden Minnie]

My main criteria is - are that person's actions negatively impacting me or my family? My husband is a Desert Storm vet with lung damage from the oil fires. You smoke on your balcony near us so he has to breathe/smell it, you will get reported. You smoke on a balcony somewhere distant from us and I just happen to see you....eh. Not wasting my vacation time on reporting you.

[Thoie]

If there were 5 people on the side you could see, there could have been another 5 on the other side. That's 10 people on a ship out of about 8,000. 0.125% rulebreakers. Probably a lot lower than the percentage of people who speed, or run red lights, or don't fill out their tax returns properly, or who share drink packages...

 

There's always going to be some people breaking some rules. You can't expect Royal to assign a crew member to follow each guest around the place to watch what they're doing at all times.

[cruiseguy1016]

Wow! Tough crowd today.:rolleyes: If I had seen it I probably would have had the same reaction as Carla, and I DEFINITELY would have taken a picture to share with RCI. If there were that many people balcony smoking at one time then Royal needs to take steps to enforce their policy.

 

 

 

 

"That many people"?!? The OP witnessed people on 5 balconies smoking. Allure has 2,222 outside cabins. OP could see only one side of the ship which means 1,111 cabins were visible. There was smoking on 5 of those 1,111 balconies. That means that people were smoking on less than 1/2 of one percent of the balconies!

[Shaco]

Oh my goodness. Why doesn't everyone just go on their cruise and enjoy and have a good time. Standing on the dock and counting how many smokers there are? Taking pictures and sending them to corporate? Please take pics of the chair hogs, line cutters, elevator rudeness, dining room attire ....on and on. I have better things to do on my vacation....MUCH better things. If you learn to mind your own business, you will have a much better time. Why does one care about what the other one is doing????? HAVE FUN.

 

NO.....I am not a smoker....but I am not going to stand on the dock and take inventory as to how many people are smoking.

You think that chair hogs and line cutters are equivalent to smokers who break the rules? Obviously, you have no health issues with second hand smoke. Your eyes don't water and your throat doesn't close making it difficult for you to breathe. Nope, you are just fine with smokers. It's the chair hogs who stop you from taking your next breath. Maybe they will throw their placeholder towel at you and give you whiplash?

 

And why should you care about the health problems of others when the only important thing is that you HAVE FUN?

 

Shaco

[LMaxwell]

"That many people"?!? The OP witnessed people on 5 balconies smoking. Allure has 2,222 outside cabins. OP could see only one side of the ship which means 1,111 cabins were visible. There was smoking on 5 of those 1,111 balconies. That means that people were smoking on less than 1/2 of one percent of the balconies!

 

What is the acceptable amount?

[Lionesss]

What you have observed will probably be ongoing until RCI enforces the policy, so for now, it us just what you have seen.....how unfortunate.

 

Thanks for your post.

 

Safe travels

[Goodtime Cruizin]

Just my opinion on this. I love to cruise . I follow the rules ( ok I may bend one occasionally, but not on purpose), I don't smoke and HATE the smell ( I have asthma and it is actually one of the triggers that sets it off. Just a good whiff and I can start wheezing), I dress for dinner and Love to dress to the nines for formal nights, I don't chair hog and I get pissed when I can't find a seat because someone put a kids book or one flip flop on an entire row of seats at 8 am so they can sun bathe at 2 in the afternoon. Here is the big BUT..BUT I am on vacation and so is the guy sneaking a smoke on his balcony, the girl in a sundress on formal night and the person saving a row of seats. Personally it gets my goat because it takes away from the fun of what I picture a "classy vacation"! But how do I know the guy smoking on his balcony isn't waiting for his kids to get up from a nap and he has waited as long as he could (not a smoker but I know it's a hard habit to quit), how do I know the chick in the sun dress hasn't saved for 2 years for this vacation and just couldn't afford one more expense, or the lady saving the chairs isn't on a family reunion with family she hasn't seen in 10 years?! point is we get our panties in a bunch over silly things like who is breaking what rule ( I am guilty of it too!) for what? So we can be upset on vacation? There are cameras every where these days and Royal knows what goes on but they care more about you coming back then the bottle of room freshener they are going to have to use on your balcony!

 

Excellent post. You have my respect. May God Bless the rest of you!

[Casino Comp Chick]

What is the acceptable amount?

 

Why do you ask?

[robtulipe]

"That many people"?!? The OP witnessed people on 5 balconies smoking. Allure has 2,222 outside cabins. OP could see only one side of the ship which means 1,111 cabins were visible. There was smoking on 5 of those 1,111 balconies. That means that people were smoking on less than 1/2 of one percent of the balconies!

 

How about all of the balconies on Allure with a boardwalk view which are on 6 of the 8 full length balcony location decks so what's actually on one side is less by around 40%

 

What is t he acceptable amount?

 

I agree one is too many.

We had smokers just forward under our balcony on one of our cruises this past winter. One day one was smoking at their railing while in port and I mentioned to her that smoking wasn't allowed on their balcony or in their cabin. All she did was to give me lip so I showed the shot I had of her smoking there to the service desk and that solved that problem for the balance of the cruise. The shot I had of her matched her ship's card one nicely. ;)

Edited April 23, 2016 by robtulipe

[Goodtime Cruizin]

The Star Princess, April 2006:

 

 

Was this actually proven to be the fault of a cigarette?

[LMaxwell]

Why do you ask?

Some seem to imply 5 is okay.

 

So how many is acceptable? 10? 50? 250?

 

I ask because I am curious what their rationale is for some being ok and what do they consider the tipping point to be.

[LMaxwell]

Was this actually proven to be the fault of a cigarette?

 

The reports indicate that they believe it was a cigarette.

 

It's the reason they have said not to leave clothes/towels on balconies. They know people smoke and throw cigarettes over. When they blow back they can catch on flammable materials.

[champagne123]

Was this actually proven to be the fault of a cigarette?

 

Although I am sure it was a cigarette, it was never actually "proved" it was a cigarette.

 

Again...I am NOT a smoker..but we have been smoking on ships since the beginning of time. This seems to be the only picture that everyone posts. Think about all of the fires on ships that start in the kitchen and engine room.

[F27TW]

I agree one is too many.

We had smokers just forward under our balcony on one of our cruises this past winter. One day one was smoking at their railing while in port and I mentioned to her that smoking wasn't allowed on their balcony or in their cabin. All she did was to give me lip so I showed the shot I had of her smoking there to the service desk and that solved that problem for the balance of the cruise. The shot I had of her matched her ship's card one nicely. ;)

 

 

Wow--- what a tattletale you are. Did her smoking really bother you THAT much that you had to start a fight ?

 

What do you do if youre walking thru the casino -- or on the smoking deck and catch a whiff? Do you start gagging and choking and lecturing people there too? Why would you confront someone over such a small thing as sneaking a smoke on their balcony? Was it really such major impact on your life ?

 

No one likes a tattletale .. I think I might call you Cindy Brady from now on.

[LMaxwell]

Although I am sure it was a cigarette, it was never actually "proved" it was a cigarette.

 

Again...I am NOT a smoker..but we have been smoking on ships since the beginning of time. This seems to be the only picture that everyone posts. Think about all of the fires on ships that start in the kitchen and engine room.

 

There was a fire onboard a Princess ship in Australia two or three weeks ago attributed to a lit cigarette being improperly disposed of, so it happens.

[LMaxwell]

 

What do you do if youre walking thru the casino -- or on the smoking deck and catch a whiff? Do you start gagging and choking and lecturing people there too?

 

 

Nothing. I try to avoid areas where smoking is permitted.

 

Why would you confront someone over such a small thing as sneaking a smoke on their balcony? Was it really such major impact on your life ?

 

 

I wouldn't confront them. I'd let the ship staff handle it.

 

A balcony is a big price premium over an interior or oceanview, and the policy is no smoking on a balcony, so why do I need to compromise at all on this?

[champagne123]

There was a fire onboard a Princess ship in Australia two or three weeks ago attributed to a lit cigarette being improperly disposed of, so it happens.

 

Oh, I am not debating that it happens...I am sure it does, and I am sure the other Princess ship WAS a cigarette. I was just stating that smoking on ships (even inside your cabin) has been allowed right up until a couple of years ago. Just seems more common place that the engine rooms/kitchens catch fire MUCH more frequently.

 

IMO...IMO....IMO....I think smoking has been practically eliminated because of passenger complaints, not fires. Honestly, smoke has never bothered me. I remember the days of people smoking in movie theaters, grocery stores, airplanes, etc. All that being said, I will probably die of "second hand smoke" :eek:

[tugboat]

Wow! Tough crowd today.:rolleyes: If I had seen it I probably would have had the same reaction as Carla, and I DEFINITELY would have taken a picture to share with RCI. If there were that many people balcony smoking at one time then Royal needs to take steps to enforce their policy.

 

It's one thing to be annoyed and inconvenienced by chair hogs or line cutters, but I'd be furious if I was next to balcony smokers and nothing was done. That's something that not only impacts my enjoyment, it also impacts my safety and that of all the other passengers. I have no problem with people smoking in designated areas...I think the chance of a butt getting carelessly extinguished or tossed over and starting a fire is much less in a designated area than a private balcony.

 

This is probably a question for a different thread, but why do cruise lines do such a poor job enforcing their policies? What's the point of making policies that allow everybody to equally enjoy the ship if you're not going to expect people to abide by the rules?:confused::confused::confused:

 

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[LMaxwell]

I'm just waiting for someone to tell me if 5 is acceptable, at what number is it not acceptable. F27's labeling of people who want a policy upheld perfectly demonstrates the mindset of smokers that knowingly break rules, and I don't know if they are a smoker or not. Many smokers when someone points out they are in the wrong just become belligerent. Very few honestly are unaware of the rules and happily comply when informed. That's why it is best to not confront people and let the staff handle it. The $250 fine is far too low. Make it $1000 and make the signage and communication of the fine much more clear. You will see the problem go away.