Milwaukee Eight Posted February 2, 2018 #26 Share Posted February 2, 2018 What they are trying to do is find and promote alternatives to all the things mentioned by other posters. In many cases a paper or wood product can be used. The amount of plastic that ends up in the ocean is enormous. Sent from my iPad using Forums We have a popular local amphitheater here that now has water in cardboard boxes instead of plastic. It was done as to save the turtles. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted February 2, 2018 #27 Share Posted February 2, 2018 We have a popular local amphitheater here that now has water in cardboard boxes instead of plastic. It was done as to save the turtles. Sent from my iPhone using Forums It seems there are always trade-offs. Less plastic in the waste stream is certainly good for many reasons. Also, cardboard boxes take up less space than bottles, so that reduces the amount of energy needed for shipping. But cardboard manufacturing requires more energy and produces more greenhouse gases than plastic. It seems that a better solution is to move toward reusable (multi-use) plastics. For example, reusable containers for all of that produce that is currently loaded onto the ship each week in single-use plastic containers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRF Posted February 2, 2018 #28 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yep. Many, many third world countries have no regulation regarding garbage disposal. Look at the scenes of Rio harbor during the recent Olympics. World renowned Copacabana beach has a permanent belt of floating plastic and trash just out of sight offshore. Heck, not sure if it has stopped, but NYC used to barge waste out to the ocean and dump it. Remember the needles on the Long Island beaches thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 2, 2018 #29 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Heck, not sure if it has stopped, but NYC used to barge waste out to the ocean and dump it. Remember the needles on the Long Island beaches thing. No waste has been dumped at sea for 20 years. There are, however, tankers assigned to the Marine Section of the NYC DEP that transport sewage between treatment plants. Not all NYC treatment plants can completely dewater sewage, so it is carried by tanker between plants. Most of the needles on the beach were from storm drains more than sewage being dumped at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred30 Posted February 2, 2018 #30 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Maybe my cynicism showing, but I don't feel this is "symbolic" to stimulate other corporations to go greener. I think RCI is using a project to reduce waste disposal fees to promote their "greenness". I totally agree. They will probably be switching over to more paper goods that the can incinerate on-board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted February 2, 2018 #31 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Maybe my cynicism showing, but I don't feel this is "symbolic" to stimulate other corporations to go greener. I think RCI is using a project to reduce waste disposal fees to promote their "greenness". It also goes hand-in-hand with their new cause of "Save the Waves". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poncho1973 Posted February 2, 2018 #32 Share Posted February 2, 2018 There are multiple companies (several based in India & Thailand where plastics are overtaking the place) working on starch based plastics for things that have to be single-use or maybe are PREFERED single-use items. Here are a few videos: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 2, 2018 #33 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Some other sort of dumping? Did you ever walk down the beach and find those partially burned/melted pieces of plastic forks, bottles, etc.? Lots of ships, other than cruise ships out there just partially run the plastic though the burner/incenerator...dump it over board and call it good. Yuck! :eek::( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted February 2, 2018 #34 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Hypothetical scene from someone's future RCI cruise...."I have to go to the naughty room to get my luggage." "Did they find the bottle of rum you were trying to sneak aboard?" "No, they found my box of straws." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 2, 2018 #35 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Did you ever walk down the beach and find those partially burned/melted pieces of plastic forks, bottles, etc.? Lots of ships, other than cruise ships out there just partially run the plastic though the burner/incenerator...dump it over board and call it good. Yuck! :eek::( Actually, the fines for dumping incinerator ash (or partially melted plastic) are just as high as for dumping plastic, so why would a ship do this? Question; how do you "partially run the plastic through the incinerator"? All ships can be fined for dumping anything over the side, other than food waste. Personally, I would suspect that the melted plastic forks (virtually unheard of on ships, as reusable cutlery is far cheaper in the long run) and such are from burning garbage barrels on land, or from town dump fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 2, 2018 #36 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Hypothetical scene from someone's future RCI cruise...."I have to go to the naughty room to get my luggage." "Did they find the bottle of rum you were trying to sneak aboard?" "No, they found my box of straws." LOL!! Got called to the naughty room once for wire hangers...guess they thought it was a wired bomb! :o From then on I bring plastic hangers...sheeezz...here we go again! :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 2, 2018 #37 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Actually, the fines for dumping incinerator ash (or partially melted plastic) are just as high as for dumping plastic, so why would a ship do this? Question; how do you "partially run the plastic through the incinerator"? All ships can be fined for dumping anything over the side, other than food waste. Personally, I would suspect that the melted plastic forks (virtually unheard of on ships, as reusable cutlery is far cheaper in the long run) and such are from burning garbage barrels on land, or from town dump fires. Ah...if the plastic could talk. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 2, 2018 #38 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Well, RCI could adopt the proposed plan in California to fine a $1000 for giving straws to customers who've not asked for one. I do seem to remember that at one time, straws were made of paper. Not sure that would be a plus/minus for the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josprince Posted February 3, 2018 #39 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Google "Royal Caribbean fined for dumping". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthewater51 Posted February 3, 2018 #40 Share Posted February 3, 2018 What they are trying to do is find and promote alternatives to all the things mentioned by other posters. In many cases a paper or wood product can be used. The amount of plastic that ends up in the ocean is enormous. Sent from my iPad using Forums Not slamming you at all, belive me. I understand what you are saying. But I find it funny that many places are trying to reduce their use of plastic, yet 20-30 years ago industries moved away from paper or wood products to save trees, and so they moved to plastic. And now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icantgolf Posted February 3, 2018 #41 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Switching to biodegradable straws would be great. I'm sure quite a few get in the water at Labadee and Coco Cay and they pose an immediate danger to turtles. Sent from my SM-G930V using Forums mobile app Here is the end result of plastic straws in our oceans. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRF Posted February 3, 2018 #42 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I do seem to remember that at one time, straws were made of paper. Not sure that would be a plus/minus for the environment. Showing your age. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishKevinCan Posted February 3, 2018 #43 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Was just on a 5 night Mexico on Independence Of the Seas. All of the shops on the promenade were giving white paper bags with handles and not the plastic RCI bags for purchases. It was odd as they were much too large for most things people were buying. Perhaps a first step. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeCoralCruiser Posted February 3, 2018 #44 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Saw the title, feared they were eliminating credit cards. Happy to get rid of all that other plastic. RCCL happily welcomes all of us to use our "multiple use, especially with RCCL," plastic. Haven't been turned down yet! (y):ship: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted February 3, 2018 #45 Share Posted February 3, 2018 RCCL happily welcomes all of us to use our "multiple use, especially with RCCL," plastic. Haven't been turned down yet! (y):ship: And those are pieces of plastic we don't tend to throw away. :p:cool: Multiple use...good recycling! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted February 3, 2018 #46 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Showing your age. :D Hey I resemble that remark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted February 3, 2018 #47 Share Posted February 3, 2018 It also goes hand-in-hand with their new cause of "Save the Waves". I love Royal but some people don't realize the Save the Waves campaign started after the following high profile event's: In 1998 and 1999, the company was fined US$9 million because one of its ships, the Sovereign of the Seas, had repeatedly dumped oily waste into the ocean and tried to hide this using false records, including fake piping diagrams given to the US Coast Guard Because the company was and is incorporated in Liberia. Royal Caribbean argued that this case was not in the jurisdiction of US courts. Despite their argument, they were unsuccessful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Pedro Posted February 3, 2018 #48 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Belts? Shoes? :confused::confused::confused: Could be going clothing optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted February 3, 2018 #49 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I love Royal but some people don't realize the Save the Waves campaign started after the following high profile event's: In 1998 and 1999, the company was fined US$9 million because one of its ships, the Sovereign of the Seas, had repeatedly dumped oily waste into the ocean and tried to hide this using false records, including fake piping diagrams given to the US Coast Guard Because the company was and is incorporated in Liberia. Royal Caribbean argued that this case was not in the jurisdiction of US courts. Despite their argument, they were unsuccessful Perhaps I should have added the “sarcasm font” to my original post. ;) That all being said, Princess was just caught doing the same thing last year, if not the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaeric Posted February 3, 2018 #50 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I love Royal but some people don't realize the Save the Waves campaign started after the following high profile event's: In 1998 and 1999, the company was fined US$9 million because one of its ships, the Sovereign of the Seas, had repeatedly dumped oily waste into the ocean and tried to hide this using false records, including fake piping diagrams given to the US Coast Guard Because the company was and is incorporated in Liberia. Royal Caribbean argued that this case was not in the jurisdiction of US courts. Despite their argument, they were unsuccessful After seeing 20 years of evolution of the "Save the Waves" campaign, you can see it evolve from making themselves look better after a really dumb thing to now actually spending money to improve the environment. Just look at the ships they have- the Oasis class was a huge efficiency increase for passengers, and they included designs to meet future emissions rules. And the new class of ships that are planned to use natural gas- this stuff is really expensive. So, while the reason Save the Waves started may be a very bad thing, the thing it has evolved into isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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