shellsrus Posted June 29, 2018 #1 Share Posted June 29, 2018 There was a thread recently on Cruise Critic (don't remember where) about new ship build's. Lots of cruise lines had orders at the major shipyards. I think the thread indicated that the shipyards are booked at least 6 to 8 years out. No orders from Oceania for a new ship. Is Oceania's plan to just use their existing fleet indefinitely? The only "new-ish" ships they have are the Marina and Riviera, and I think they're 6+ years old now. The smaller R ships are much older. We recently cruised on the Marina (1st time on Oceania) and enjoyed it very much. We're hesitant to try an R ship due to all the feedback on the small cabins/bathrooms and overall age and condition of the ships. Any Oceania experts here have any insight into what Oceania is thinking long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mura Posted June 30, 2018 #2 Share Posted June 30, 2018 It's very true that the bathrooms on the "R" ship veranda cabins and below are small but the ships have been beautifully maintained. Maybe you won't like the style of the furnishings (we do, but we're used to them from Renaissance days) but the ships are in great shape. That is why many Oceania regulars prefer them to the newer ships. The only way you can judge is if you spring for a trial cruise on one of them. OR you could book a suite! Yes, it's more money, and I'm not cavalier in making the suggestion. But personally I don't think you need to worry about the age of these ships. On another thread I recently mentioned that when we took a downsell to a B1 cabin on Nautica in July 2016, we were surprised that the shower no longer bothered us the way it once had! And we are used to sailing in the suites these days. So you might NOT have a problem with them. Only you will know how you would feel. If you are used to 1500 sf in a cabin, then you no doubt would be disappointed. Mura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 30, 2018 #3 Share Posted June 30, 2018 There was a thread recently on Cruise Critic (don't remember where) about new ship build's. Lots of cruise lines had orders at the major shipyards. I think the thread indicated that the shipyards are booked at least 6 to 8 years out. No orders from Oceania for a new ship. Is Oceania's plan to just use their existing fleet indefinitely? The only "new-ish" ships they have are the Marina and Riviera, and I think they're 6+ years old now. The smaller R ships are much older. We recently cruised on the Marina (1st time on Oceania) and enjoyed it very much. We're hesitant to try an R ship due to all the feedback on the small cabins/bathrooms and overall age and condition of the ships.Any Oceania experts here have any insight into what Oceania is thinking long term? the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted June 30, 2018 #4 Share Posted June 30, 2018 the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. What do you specifically mean by they don't work anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea42 Posted June 30, 2018 #5 Share Posted June 30, 2018 the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. Do you mean they don't work as an option for you anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAexNY Posted June 30, 2018 #6 Share Posted June 30, 2018 the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. They work fine for us. You’ve been complaining about Oceania and talking about leaving for some time. How’s that working out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mura Posted June 30, 2018 #7 Share Posted June 30, 2018 +1, Lou! Some others may feel that way. We sure don't ... Mura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted June 30, 2018 #8 Share Posted June 30, 2018 They work fine for us.You’ve been complaining about Oceania and talking about leaving for some time. How’s that working out for you? + 1 maybe time for him to put his money with another cruise line :rolleyes: Both size ships work for us also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted June 30, 2018 #9 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Any Oceania experts here have any insight into what Oceania is thinking long term? Go to the source & ask them asking people here is just speculation Many cruise line without new build are still in business longer than Oceania JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jancruz Posted June 30, 2018 #10 Share Posted June 30, 2018 the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. Really you are the biggest downer I have ever read..I wish you would hurry and look elsewhere! You are so wrong Oceania is not hurting one bit and when they decide to build more ships I am sure you will hear about it.. Jancruz1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Caroldoll Posted June 30, 2018 #11 Share Posted June 30, 2018 We did Explorer when it was the newest. I did not find one thing better than Riviera and Marina in my opinion. On the other hand, we do NOT like the R ships. Everything is too small and outdated for us. My husband is very tall, so the newer ships are better for us. We are not falling all over ourselves for the new Regent ship. That being said we were really dedicated to Crystal, but it just seems REALLY outdated to us, just like the R ships. Try it, see if you like it. We are like Mura. We like the big suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mura Posted June 30, 2018 #12 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Yes, you are, Carol ... but we aren't into the OS category yet! And probably won't be ... I'd love to be in one if I could get it for a PH1 rate ... ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zz19 Posted June 30, 2018 #13 Share Posted June 30, 2018 the R Ships do not work anymore and the Newer ships are teriffic but need to be up dated. At this rate there in no future for Oceania as we know it. Need new ships as every other cruise line is getting. Too bad that we will have to look elsewhere in the future. RJB--Please see "Viking Competing on Food " POST #41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JoePDX Posted June 30, 2018 #14 Share Posted June 30, 2018 The R-Class ships are perfect for us. Been sailing them since 2001. They are like home. :) Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted June 30, 2018 #15 Share Posted June 30, 2018 There was a thread recently on Cruise Critic (don't remember where) about new ship build's. Lots of cruise lines had orders at the major shipyards. I think the thread indicated that the shipyards are booked at least 6 to 8 years out. No orders from Oceania for a new ship. Is Oceania's plan to just use their existing fleet indefinitely? The only "new-ish" ships they have are the Marina and Riviera, and I think they're 6+ years old now. The smaller R ships are much older. We recently cruised on the Marina (1st time on Oceania) and enjoyed it very much. We're hesitant to try an R ship due to all the feedback on the small cabins/bathrooms and overall age and condition of the ships. Any Oceania experts here have any insight into what Oceania is thinking long term? Maybe Oceania is not for you. There are many of us that are fans of "don't fix what ain't broke." As for condition of the R ships: look at what Princess did/didn't do to maintain the Ocean Princess. It took Oceania $40 million to bring it up to Oceania's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammu2 Posted June 30, 2018 #16 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Looks like we are closing in ON the top of the economic cycle. I'm not sur contracting for ships now, when prices are high and capacity in the industry is rapidly expanding, is the right move. Its a difficult call. Sent from my LG-US998 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andee Posted June 30, 2018 #17 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Although we do appreciate the larger cabins and bathrooms on the O ships, we definitely prefer the public areas, lay out, and size of the R ships. Sent from my SM-G930V using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambagahle Posted June 30, 2018 #18 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I would imagine that NCL holdings doesn't have "bottomless pockets" and they choose their investments so that new ships are in places where they need them. Norwegian got a new ship this year I think. Regent is getting Splendor in 2020. Very likely shortly after that Oceania will get another big new one. (Remember that last year or the year before Sirena was re-added to the Oceania fleet, and much upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pinotlover Posted June 30, 2018 #19 Share Posted June 30, 2018 We sail for the ports primarily, not the ships. That said, in places where O utilizes both R and O ships , we’ll always pick the O. Always. The O ships, however, only represent 2 of the 7 ship fleet (28%), and there are huge swaths of the globe they don’t sail. We were blessed to do Australia and NZ on the Marina. That option is no longer available. Currently, Oceania is able to maintain parity in pricing between the two ships. With the huge differences between classes, this surprises me. I’m guessing , over time, this capacity will start to wain. I’m guessing that time line is within 5-7 years at max as many of the R ship lovers retire from cruising and those ships become even more outdated. If/ When O has to start discounting R fares below O ship fares, they will be forced to upgrade. Until that time, I see them avoiding take on more new debt while NCL tries to recoup its PCH investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted June 30, 2018 #20 Share Posted June 30, 2018 We sail for the ports primarily, not the ships. That said, in places where O utilizes both R and O ships , we’ll always pick the O. Always. The O ships, however, only represent 2 of the 7 ship fleet (28%), and there are huge swaths of the globe they don’t sail. We were blessed to do Australia and NZ on the Marina. That option is no longer available. Currently, Oceania is able to maintain parity in pricing between the two ships. With the huge differences between classes, this surprises me. I’m guessing , over time, this capacity will start to wain. I’m guessing that time line is within 5-7 years at max as many of the R ship lovers retire from cruising and those ships become even more outdated. If/ When O has to start discounting R fares below O ship fares, they will be forced to upgrade. Until that time, I see them avoiding take on more new debt while NCL tries to recoup its PCH investment. Unless I've missed something, there are only six ships: Riviera, Marina, Regatta, Nautica, Insignia and Sirena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted June 30, 2018 #21 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (Remember that last year or the year before Sirena was re-added to the Oceania fleet, and much upgraded. Sirena was never part of Oceania It was bought from princess Perhaps you are thinking of Insignia which was leased to Hapag Lloyd for a couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andee Posted June 30, 2018 #22 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Although the 2 O ships make up 1/3 of Oceania's 6 ships, they carry almost 1/2 of the passengers (1250x2=2500; 684x4=2736). Sent from my SM-G930V using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pinotlover Posted June 30, 2018 #23 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Andee; They only make up 1/3rd of the itineraries. Plus, we don’t know actual occupancy levels. I’ve read and heard multiple reports of the Riveria cruising the Carribe in winter at 2/3rds or so occupancy levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanandJim Posted June 30, 2018 #24 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I’ve read and heard multiple reports of the Riveria cruising the Carribe in winter at 2/3rds or so occupancy levels. Wouldn't that be a function of the post hurricane conditions in the Caribbean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pinotlover Posted June 30, 2018 #25 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Stan&Jim; No. It’s a function of too many boats plying the Carribe during the winter months. The ships have to go somewhere during winter and supply far outpaces demand. The hurricane damage only adds insult to injury. My brother and his wife did a 7 day Riviera cruise in a veranda cabin back in 2016 for ~ $750 each, cruise only. He said the ship only had around 700 aboard. His TA had called him just looking for bodies with low offerings. I should add, he lives in FL, and getting cut rate offers for cruises out of Miami, FLL, or Cape Canveral is a common occurrence. To many ships during the winter and Spring months for the demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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