Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 3, 2019 #626 Share Posted April 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said: 👍 I am hoping for something new on Oasis after her "amping" dry dock this fall. Me too. 33 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Didn't Symphony get the umbrellas back Yes she did, but not as many as Allure and Oasis have. I’d say there are the same amount of tables at the beach pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted April 3, 2019 #627 Share Posted April 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Short of the dock tipping, the ship is stable on the blocks. Would you say that if the dock tipped far enough, the ship would eventually right herself on the water? It seems like she's listing now because the dock is listing or because she fell off some of the keel blocks and is still resting on what's left of the cofferdams. I'm curious about what's going on under the ship right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony O Posted April 3, 2019 #628 Share Posted April 3, 2019 23 hours ago, Tony O said: Yes Did you march ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2019 #629 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Pratique said: Would you say that if the dock tipped far enough, the ship would eventually right herself on the water? It seems like she's listing now because the dock is listing or because she fell off some of the keel blocks and is still resting on what's left of the cofferdams. I'm curious about what's going on under the ship right now. No, if the dock tipped more, it would not change things, only if the high side of the dock was lowered would the ship right itself. Likely most of the keel blocks (those on the starboard side and the keel) have slid towards the starboard wingwall of the dock, but the ones on the high side, with the buoyancy of the dock pressing up, and the weight of the ship pressing down, are still likely supporting the port side of the ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted April 3, 2019 #630 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said: It's something to ponder, but I really do not think that this weight is really that much in the grand scheme of that ship. I don't know, but I bet an engineer could weigh in. I think either they screwed up - perhaps the weight was displaced incorrectly, or something caused the ship or dock to move and threw off the balance, or just catastrophic failure of the dock or crane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Bridget Posted April 3, 2019 #631 Share Posted April 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, teacherman said: We are currently on Allure because our Oasis cruise for this week was cancelled. We were allowed to change to this cruise and given $200 obc. That's it. We could have been given a refund but many of us on here had already purchased our air to Orlando. RCCL wouldnot even reimburse us for the rental car fees because we had to drive to Miami and when we leave the ship Sunday immediately drive back to Orlando in hopes of making our return flights. Same story as many of you. School break week. No available flights to change too. Etc. You got a good deal compared to what we were offered. But we are having a good cruise right now Was also on that 31st sailing that was canceled. Royal Caribbean should have kept our cruise - then none of this would have happened! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2019 #632 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Grumpus said: I think either they screwed up - perhaps the weight was displaced incorrectly, or something caused the ship or dock to move and threw off the balance, or just catastrophic failure of the dock or crane. I still believe it was a failure of a ballast pipe or valve on the dock that flooded one or more of the ballast tanks, sinking that side of the dock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted April 3, 2019 #633 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: I still believe it was a failure of a ballast pipe or valve on the dock that flooded one or more of the ballast tanks, sinking that side of the dock. Do you have an idea why the starboard side crane fell toward the ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 3, 2019 #634 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: Actually, the ship sits on 1-1.5 meter high wooden blocks. But without knowing what this Finn's job was, I sort of question whether he knows much about drydocks. But, there are blocks at the sides of the flat bottom as well, to support the ship from tipping. Short of the dock tipping, the ship is stable on the blocks. Like this 🤔 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2019 #635 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pratique said: Do you have an idea why the starboard side crane fell toward the ship? Since the ship shows more list than the dock does, I believe it tipped into the crane, applying a force below the center of gravity of the crane and causing it to fall to port. As someone said up thread, like taking someone out at the knees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 3, 2019 #636 Share Posted April 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said: Yes she did, but not as many as Allure and Oasis have. I’d say there are the same amount of tables at the beach pool. That's good, tables are the most important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Sea Dog Posted April 3, 2019 #637 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Now that is funny! Love that pic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted April 3, 2019 #638 Share Posted April 3, 2019 This story actually says the bottom of the dock buckled: http://thefreeportnews.com/news/gb-shipyard-closes-after-major-mishap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted April 3, 2019 #639 Share Posted April 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: I still believe it was a failure of a ballast pipe or valve on the dock that flooded one or more of the ballast tanks, sinking that side of the dock. That would definitely do it. All you need is a little weight and angle imbalance and all hell will break loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 3, 2019 #640 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, MrMarc said: This story actually says the bottom of the dock buckled: http://thefreeportnews.com/news/gb-shipyard-closes-after-major-mishap/ It could be, but until I see a direct quote from the shipyard or the government, I'll hold my judgement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted April 3, 2019 #641 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, chengkp75 said: It could be, but until I see a direct quote from the shipyard or the government, I'll hold my judgement. From research on the internet, which does not make me any kind of expert, I found a number of references to "Transverse bending Failure". No reason for anyone to believe me, I am just guessing. If I am right, no one will care. If I am wrong, I expect to be flamed for needless speculation. Such is life on the internet, but sometimes it's fun. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Billy Bob Posted April 3, 2019 #642 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, MrMarc said: From research on the internet, which does not make me any kind of expert, I found a number of references to "Transverse bending Failure". No reason for anyone to believe me, I am just guessing. If I am right, no one will care. If I am wrong, I expect to be flamed for needless speculation. Such is life on the internet, but sometimes it's fun. If it wasn't for needless speculation we'd have no speculation at all. Where is the fun in that. Somethin happened and it wearn't good! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted April 3, 2019 #643 Share Posted April 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, MrMarc said: From research on the internet, which does not make me any kind of expert, I found a number of references to "Transverse bending Failure". No reason for anyone to believe me, I am just guessing. If I am right, no one will care. If I am wrong, I expect to be flamed for needless speculation. Such is life on the internet, but sometimes it's fun. I'm with you. If nothing else, we learn a thing or two along the way for being wrong. That dock looks like a rust bucket anyway. When steel starts to give way then things can happen quick. Exhibit 1: the crane. But what do I know lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdjaguar Posted April 3, 2019 #644 Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, MrMarc said: From research on the internet, which does not make me any kind of expert, I found a number of references to "Transverse bending Failure". No reason for anyone to believe me, I am just guessing. If I am right, no one will care. If I am wrong, I expect to be flamed for needless speculation. Such is life on the internet, but sometimes it's fun. Thanks to you and your most educated speculation, I am now an “internet expert” on transverse bending failure, having just digested a PDF report detailing 3 previous drydock failures. Another item checked off the bucket list. 🙂 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allura_317 Posted April 3, 2019 #645 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, John&LaLa said: Didn't Symphony get the umbrellas back Yes, think they realized their mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allura_317 Posted April 3, 2019 #646 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said: Completely agree. Anything new! I have seen Grease on Indy twice, and Harmony once. I like it.. but I want something new. Also, until it is an absolute no... I am hoping for Wicked! I would LOVE to have Wicked on a ship! Would they be able to get rights as it is currently running on Broadway? Especially considering I think they did Hairspray on Oasis in the end of 09' (when she deputed), while Hairspray ended its Broadway run earlier, in January 09'. Therefore, it's not promising as much as you and I would like that:-( I agree that they need something new, other than Cats (sorry John). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipeeinthepool Posted April 3, 2019 #647 Share Posted April 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, MrMarc said: From research on the internet, which does not make me any kind of expert, I found a number of references to "Transverse bending Failure". No reason for anyone to believe me, I am just guessing. If I am right, no one will care. If I am wrong, I expect to be flamed for needless speculation. Such is life on the internet, but sometimes it's fun. The situation with the Oasis has a proposed solution, at this point I'm more interested in the next step. I'm booked on a ship a couple of months from now that is supposed to be the first cruise after dry dock. I'll be interested in any damage to the dry dock and any impact on future dry docks for other ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajathree Posted April 3, 2019 #648 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Sounds eerily similar https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a24441193/russias-hard-luck-carrier-damaged-in-shipyard-accident/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pratique Posted April 3, 2019 #649 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, bajathree said: Sounds eerily similar https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a24441193/russias-hard-luck-carrier-damaged-in-shipyard-accident/ I love the writing in that story. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted April 3, 2019 #650 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, bajathree said: Sounds eerily similar https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a24441193/russias-hard-luck-carrier-damaged-in-shipyard-accident/ More interesting to me is that the Russians have only one carrier. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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