rallydave Posted May 14, 2019 #101 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cynchaslo said: Never mind, I’ll check the Oceania site. I’m of the Rick Steve’s mind, “travel gives us a broader perspective.” No changes to any of the Cuba cruises unless or until the US Government issues new regulations. No time frame for when or if the rule changes will be issues and become effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sny Posted May 14, 2019 #102 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Cynchasio - I'm with you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripro Posted May 14, 2019 #103 Share Posted May 14, 2019 21 hours ago, JPR said: Wripro wrote “I can imagine people on Cruise Critic in Cuba, Venezuela, Turkey and Burma saying the same things about the U. S. now.“ Huh? So what? That’s classic sophomoric moral relativism. Do you mean the people in their corrupt and police state governments or the people oppressed by them? I’m surprised you left out Norh Korea. Would you have written the same thing about the Germany and Japanese people during WWII? And you’re wrong to boot. Even the liberal press has found overwhelming support for Trump and the U.S. among the Venezuelan people. The people we spoke with in Cuba generally would love to have U.S.-style freedom and prosperity, and recognize that the country is crumbling while it exports its military and essentially enslaved physicians to other countries for hard currency. Erdogan just lost a key election in Istanbul (which like Maduro he has undemocratically overturned on totally specious grounds) and is increasingly unpopular there. (At least Turkey is still in NATO, for now. ) And Burma/Myanmar is at least as repressive as any of them, so who knows what its people think. You have the right to go wherever you want (subject to U.S, Law, State Department policies, and that country’s rules) , even, say, Iran. But know that when you visit these these countries, your hard currency is going to the primary benefit of totalitarian regimes. So glad i was able to give you a platform. Enjoy posting! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted May 14, 2019 #104 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, wripro said: So glad i was able to give you a platform. Enjoy posting! It is called free speech, which is something the people in those country's do not have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanEcosse Posted May 14, 2019 #105 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, RJB said: It is called free speech, which is something the people in those country's do not have. Yes, but is it Cruise Critic? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 14, 2019 #106 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, RJB said: It is called free speech, which is something the people in those country's do not have. The "serial poster's" on the Oceania CC have ruined it. Hardly worth looking at. We cruise often and like Princess CC, HAL CC, and love Windstar CC. None of those are as caustic as Oceania CC. We are looking for information here because we are actually going to Cuba. It seems there are people on Oceania CC interested in cruising and sharing information and those just addicted to posting on anything and everything. Save your politics for another place. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted May 14, 2019 #107 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, pauon said: The "serial poster's" on the Oceania CC have ruined it. Hardly worth looking at. We cruise often and like Princess CC, HAL CC, and love Windstar CC. None of those are as caustic as Oceania CC. We are looking for information here because we are actually going to Cuba. It seems there are people on Oceania CC interested in cruising and sharing information and those just addicted to posting on anything and everything. Save your politics for another place. Been to Cuba and it was great, but the politics are part of any visit there. Had a great private guide and got a dose about how they live and it is not too pretty. A lawyer making $ 65.00 a month and a guide making 10 X that a month. Hearing that I can be very caustic. Hope it changes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 14, 2019 #108 Share Posted May 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, RJB said: Been to Cuba and it was great, but the politics are part of any visit there. Had a great private guide and got a dose about how they live and it is not too pretty. A lawyer making $ 65.00 a month and a guide making 10 X that a month. Hearing that I can be very caustic. Hope it changes I wasn't referring to politics in Cuba. Sure would be nice to get back, again, to the topic at hand. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_r_a Posted May 22, 2019 #109 Share Posted May 22, 2019 RJB says, > A lawyer making $ 65.00 a month and a guide making 10 X that a month. Hearing that I can be very caustic. Hope it changes Might you be a lawyer? 🙂 Ira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PaulMCO Posted May 22, 2019 #110 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 5:59 PM, pauon said: The "serial poster's" on the Oceania CC have ruined it. Hardly worth looking at. We cruise often and like Princess CC, HAL CC, and love Windstar CC. None of those are as caustic as Oceania CC. We are looking for information here because we are actually going to Cuba. It seems there are people on Oceania CC interested in cruising and sharing information and those just addicted to posting on anything and everything. Save your politics for another place. Definitely agree. We have our booking scheduled in 2021. I am optimistic that it will take place. There is alot of pressure being put on the current Administration to keep the rules (at least for tourists) the same. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted May 23, 2019 #111 Share Posted May 23, 2019 20 hours ago, I_r_a said: RJB says, > A lawyer making $ 65.00 a month and a guide making 10 X that a month. Hearing that I can be very caustic. Hope it changes Might you be a lawyer? 🙂 Ira No, I am not a lawyer, but our guide in Cuba was. I think he would like to go back to that but can not afford to. Wife and baby cost a lot more than $65.00 a month. A great guide and probably was a very good lawyer. No politics here, just the reality of a 27 year old with not much future to see. Must be a lot more like him. And I am sure women also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiidan Posted May 27, 2019 #112 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 5/23/2019 at 6:39 AM, RJB said: No, I am not a lawyer, but our guide in Cuba was. I think he would like to go back to that but can not afford to. Wife and baby cost a lot more than $65.00 a month. A great guide and probably was a very good lawyer. No politics here, just the reality of a 27 year old with not much future to see. Must be a lot more like him. And I am sure women also. Its a tough call to keep political situations, that result from travel anywhere, silent. Its part and parcel to a persons visit, no matter what their politics is. When you visit anywhere you are giving in effect economic support to that city/region country and support for their society/ government whether you like it or not! A person has to realize it is the law of unintended results.. What we do does affect others , we can not change that reality. So....yes realizing that does take into consideration the politics of a place you can not separate the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynchaslo Posted May 27, 2019 #113 Share Posted May 27, 2019 On the other hand, many countries complain that visiting a country by cruise ship adds very little to the local economy. We are eating and sleeping on the ship. I’m not going to be politically judged by my travel agenda. I like to travel to learn and see things for myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted May 27, 2019 #114 Share Posted May 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cynchaslo said: I’m not going to be politically judged by my travel agenda. I like to travel to learn and see things for myself. Agree totally. Can’t say anything positive about the current Iranian regime but if I could I would love to visit Iran for its history and cultural treasures. I only have one lifetime to see and do as much as I can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 27, 2019 #115 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Paulchili said: Agree totally. Can’t say anything positive about the current Iranian regime but if I could I would love to visit Iran for its history and cultural treasures. I only have one lifetime to see and do as much as I can. Wouldn't it be nice if some of the people here could stay on topic and not highjack every thread ? Back to Cuba ? After all, that is what the OP posted about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted May 27, 2019 #116 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 hours ago, pauon said: Wouldn't it be nice if some of the people here could stay on topic and not highjack every thread ? Back to Cuba ? After all, that is what the OP posted about. Well, at the moment it does not seem that our government is going to change the rules for cruises to Cuba. I think that it is a good thing for people like our private guide to make a better living for his family outside the restrictions that their government places on how much they can earn. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 28, 2019 #117 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Just got my visa for July Oceania 32 day back to back. Fingers crossed that nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookyfudge Posted May 28, 2019 #118 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I would not spend my yankee dollars in Cuba, it is a communist country and they should not get our dollars. Period my opinion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted May 28, 2019 #119 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, pauon said: Wouldn't it be nice if some of the people here could stay on topic and not highjack every thread ? Wouldn’t it be nice if “some of the people here” were a little nicer to everyone and a little more tolerant of others’ opinions and posts? Edited May 28, 2019 by Paulchili 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petoonya Posted May 28, 2019 #120 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Paulchili said: Can’t say anything positive about the current Iranian regime but if I could I would love to visit Iran for its history and cultural treasures. I only have one lifetime to see and do as much as I can. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted May 28, 2019 #121 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Paulchili said: Wouldn’t it be nice if “some of the people here” were a little nicer to everyone and a little more tolerant of others’ opinions and posts? YES !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 28, 2019 #122 Share Posted May 28, 2019 15 hours ago, Paulchili said: Wouldn’t it be nice if “some of the people here” were a little nicer to everyone and a little more tolerant of others’ opinions and posts? “High jack” and “stay on topic” are key. Follow the rules as set by CC. Nothing said that the “6 or 7” of you practice on others daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_r_a Posted May 28, 2019 #123 Share Posted May 28, 2019 This might be of some use. How To Travel To Cuba In 2019: A Guide For Americans https://expertvagabond.com/travel-to-cuba-for-americans/ Ira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauon Posted May 28, 2019 #124 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Glad we are back to the topic of Cuba. I think those sailing to Iran are on another thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran48 Posted June 4, 2019 #125 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 11:37 AM, pauon said: Glad we are back to the topic of Cuba. I think those sailing to Iran are on another thread. Just saw this article on CNN ....restrictions announced today June 4. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/politics/us-cuba-travel-restrictions/index.html I have contacted our TA to see about our options. Our cruise is not until Jan. 2020 and we are still before the cancel date. We are booked from LA through the Panama Canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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