basictek Posted June 16, 2019 #26 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I was on Rotterdam in April, and they told us the reason they were not sailing from Tampa had to do with port negotiations, that Tampa port was only going to have CCL, RCI and NCL, from now on. I don't expect to see HAL back in Tampa anytime soon, but I have no idea if we were told the truth or how often these "port negotiations" occur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Girl Posted June 16, 2019 #27 Share Posted June 16, 2019 19 hours ago, basictek said: I was on Rotterdam in April, and they told us the reason they were not sailing from Tampa had to do with port negotiations, that Tampa port was only going to have CCL, RCI and NCL, from now on. I don't expect to see HAL back in Tampa anytime soon, but I have no idea if we were told the truth or how often these "port negotiations" occur I have suspected that this was the reason HAL pulled out of Tampa. And the worst part is, I am not sure Tampa is that interested in having them back. HAL does not generate that much revenue compared t the other three lines. More's the pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 17, 2019 #28 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Tampa Girl said: I have suspected that this was the reason HAL pulled out of Tampa. And the worst part is, I am not sure Tampa is that interested in having them back. HAL does not generate that much revenue compared t the other three lines. More's the pity. In what ways do other crruise lines generate revenue that HAL does not? We certainly managed nice hotel stays. nice dinners out, taxis shopping and the rest .. 🙂 sail.noordam@gmail.com Edited June 17, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaCruiser72 Posted June 18, 2019 #29 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sail7seas said: In what ways do other crruise lines generate revenue that HAL does not? We certainly managed nice hotel stays. nice dinners out, taxis shopping and the rest .. 🙂 sail.noordam@gmail.com My guess is that a larger percentage of HAL cruisers sailing from Tampa either live in the greater Tampa/St Petersburg/ Clearwater area, or within a less than 5hr drive and drive in same day and do not spend additional $ on the items you referenced. There would therefore be far less net economic gain to the Tampa region that would then incentivize the port to want to offer HAL favorable docking rates/terms. Other lines such as NCL/Carnival/Royal will have more younger clients/families coming in from out of state (either by car or air) that use the regions hotels, restaurants, beaches, theme parks, shopping, etc that provide far superior economic gain related to port usage. As as the old adage goes - follow the money.... Edited June 18, 2019 by AtlantaCruiser72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 18, 2019 #30 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 hours ago, AtlantaCruiser72 said: My guess is that a larger percentage of HAL cruisers sailing from Tampa either live in the greater Tampa/St Petersburg/ Clearwater area, or within a less than 5hr drive and drive in same day and do not spend additional $ on the items you referenced. There would therefore be far less net economic gain to the Tampa region that would then incentivize the port to want to offer HAL favorable docking rates/terms. Other lines such as NCL/Carnival/Royal will have more younger clients/families coming in from out of state (either by car or air) that use the regions hotels, restaurants, beaches, theme parks, shopping, etc that provide far superior economic gain related to port usage. As as the old adage goes - follow the money.... Seeing Boston is home for me, , each time we sailed out of Tampa, of course, we flew. As to theme parks, No Way, not my cup of tea Tampa's fog and the bridge are negatives for thos who are flying home at the end of g their cruise. We always did a pos cruise stay ' just in case'. Not everyone is able or willing to plan that way. Now that I am solo, I would not again fly to and sail out of/into Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Girl Posted June 18, 2019 #31 Share Posted June 18, 2019 15 hours ago, sail7seas said: In what ways do other crruise lines generate revenue that HAL does not? We certainly managed nice hotel stays. nice dinners out, taxis shopping and the rest .. 🙂 sail.noordam@gmail.com I think it is because there are three lines compared to one, and at least two of them have 5-day cruises. More tourist turnover means more hotel stays. According to the Tampa Bay Times article published at the time HAL announced it was pulling out, HAL only accounts for 5% of the cruise ship revenue. Seems a little low to me. However, some of HAL's cruises were 14-day southern Caribbean cruises. The paper also said that the Port Authority was revamping pier facilities, which is where I got the idea that HAL's pulling out was a means of leveraging a better position in the port. As far as some speculation that HAL itself couldn't sell out the ships, I noted that the Vista Suites, Neptune Suite, and Pinnacle suites on the Rotterdam were shown on this past winter's website as having been sold out. This left OV's and insides. Nor would the fog have played much of an issue. HAL has been sailing out of Tampa for over 30 years, and the fog was always a possibility in the winter. In short, I am optimistic (completely without basis) that HAL will return to Tampa eventually. Hope, hope, hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Girl Posted June 18, 2019 #32 Share Posted June 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, sail7seas said: Seeing Boston is home for me, , each time we sailed out of Tampa, of course, we flew. As to theme parks, No Way, not my cup of tea Tampa's fog and the bridge are negatives for thos who are flying home at the end of g their cruise. We always did a pos cruise stay ' just in case'. Not everyone is able or willing to plan that way. Now that I am solo, I would not again fly to and sail out of/into Tampa. I'm not sure why the bridge would have been a problem. I have not heard of a ship not being able to get under it. And it is fun to sail under it. The fog, I understand, although the other lines don't seem to be bothered by it. It is not a regular occurrence during the winter, although I understand that once delayed by it, one would be reluctant to give it a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 18, 2019 #33 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) In any case, given Vedndam's lack of an out door pool, I do not think her suitable for cruises in all wsarm wseagther, gthe whole ten/ 14 days. . Sailing from a cold westher port to Caribean seems a beter use for thag ship, IMO Edited June 18, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly-Q Posted June 18, 2019 #34 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I guess I won't be sailing out of Tampa any more. There's no way I'd cruise on the lines left there and I've cruised them all at one time or another. It's such a shame, because the Tampa area is so nice, as well as the Tampa airport. I believe it's a mistake for HAL to leave Tampa, no matter which side initiated it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaCruiser72 Posted June 18, 2019 #35 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I have a feeling this was more motivated by HAL wanting to reduce operating costs than Port of Tampa asking them to leave. I'm sure when the contract became amendable that Port of Tampa wanted to raise fees, HAL did not want to pay the increased fees and thus looked at other options. Short term they decided the best choice for them was to consolidate Caribbean operations at one Florida port - Ft. Lauderdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted October 24, 2019 #36 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) On 6/18/2019 at 2:01 PM, AtlantaCruiser72 said: I have a feeling this was more motivated by HAL wanting to reduce operating costs than Port of Tampa asking them to leave. I'm sure when the contract became amendable that Port of Tampa wanted to raise fees, HAL did not want to pay the increased fees and thus looked at other options. Short term they decided the best choice for them was to consolidate Caribbean operations at one Florida port - Ft. Lauderdale. Oh well, Far more non-stop flights to FLL and MIami. So, bye-bye Tampa. Nice city but .... sail.noordam @gmail.com Edited October 24, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Girl Posted October 24, 2019 #37 Share Posted October 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, sail7seas said: Oh well, Far more non-stop flights to FLL and MIami. So, bye-bye Tampa. Nice city but .... sail.noordam @gmail.com Sail - HAL will be back in Tampa for the 20-21 winter season. That was announced last month, and there is a thread on it. It will be the Veendam. Maybe the fact that Celebrity will also be in Tampa for that period encourage HAL to come back. I still think the departure was due to a negotiations breakdown because Tampa is renovating their cruise facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted October 25, 2019 #38 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 6/15/2019 at 11:42 AM, RocketMan275 said: One thing evident from this thread. Holland needs two/three new ships. Two or three SMALLER SHIPS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimnKaren Posted October 25, 2019 #39 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Ya know...there are lots of us CC people who live in the Bay area (that terminology is being debated locally). Ya'll can come down and stay at our houses and then we'll go out to eat every night, just like on a ship. It would be better than going to Key West or Cozumel or Belize or wherever. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue from Canada Posted October 25, 2019 #40 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Himself said: Two or three SMALLER SHIPS. If only.... A new ship the size of the old Prinsendam would be wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted October 29, 2019 #41 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 9:41 PM, JimnKaren said: Ya know...there are lots of us CC people who live in the Bay area (that terminology is being debated locally). Ya'll can come down and stay at our houses and then we'll go out to eat every night, just like on a ship. It would be better than going to Key West or Cozumel or Belize or wherever. Jim Lovely of you, Jim but truly, we enjoyed a number of very pleasant hotel stays in Tampa before and after cruises. I am not sure I would go to Boston to sail Veendam again. I live a little north of Boston. 🙂 My last cruise on Veendam two or so years ago was a b ig disappointment. So.. doubtful I would fly to anywhere to sail Veendam. It's too bad as I remember some very good cruises on her when sh first joined the fleet and until they took away her aft pool and made (questionable ) " improvements" throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chill6x6 Posted October 30, 2019 #42 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I hope they do come back to Tampa. I throughly enjoyed the Rotterdam from Tampa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Pete Cruiser Posted October 30, 2019 #43 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Veendam, as stated before, returns Nov 2020 until April 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djptcp Posted October 31, 2019 #44 Share Posted October 31, 2019 DH and I are delighted that the Veendam will sail from Tampa and we already have reservations for the Dec. 13, 2020 sailing. We live 45 minutes from the Port of Tampa and sail mostly out of there unless we have to go to Fort Lauderdale to sail on Holland. The first several Celebrity sailings are 7 days and then they go to 10-11 day sailings. At least that was what I saw when they first announced they were coming to Tampa. Have never sailed on Celebrity before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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