Colo Cruiser Posted February 21, 2020 #101 Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Potstech said: Even while cruising with a parent or guardian he is still old enough to make up his own mind despite what his parent or guardian wears. Not really...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanzer22pilot Posted February 21, 2020 #102 Share Posted February 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Potstech said: There was no mention of a 16 year old cruising by themselves. Not allowed on most cruise lines, just for some peoples information. Even while cruising with a parent or guardian he is still old enough to make up his own mind despite what his parent or guardian wears. Parenting ends at 15 then? Society (in this case a cruise ship) has laws, rules, customs, and norms. It is a parent’s job and duty by exposing a child (including a 16 which by most definitions is a child) to different experiences and guiding them into what is socially acceptable. Otherwise, you will eventually have chaos. Shorts in the MDR is just the foothill of the mountain of life. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 21, 2020 #103 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) On 2/20/2020 at 6:04 AM, Potstech said: And if he is older than 16 he is old enough to make up his own mind on how to dress for dinner. She's 14. Outside of formal night, I'm not going to war on what she wears. Cover up shoulders to knees and I'm fine. Damn I sound old & puritanical. I'm not. I just pick my battles. Be active / no phones at table / look at me respectfully but you can wear shorts on casual nights (FWIW we went to Sabatinis on formal nights to avoid dressing up back when women wore sequins. I don't own that so a nice dress like I'd wear to the symphony & a specialty restaurant) Edited February 21, 2020 by Ombud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potstech Posted February 21, 2020 #104 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, tanzer22pilot said: Parenting ends at 15 then? Society (in this case a cruise ship) has laws, rules, customs, and norms. It is a parent’s job and duty by exposing a child (including a 16 which by most definitions is a child) to different experiences and guiding them into what is socially acceptable. Otherwise, you will eventually have chaos. Shorts in the MDR is just the foothill of the mountain of life. Again where did I say or infer parenting ends? Some parents allow their children a little independence and let them make their own decision. Apparently some do not. So wearing shorts in the MDR on a cruise ship will cause world chaos? Edited February 21, 2020 by Potstech 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanzer22pilot Posted February 21, 2020 #105 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Potstech said: Again where did I say or infer parenting ends? Some parents allow their children a little independence and let them make their own decision. Apparently some do not. So wearing shorts in the MDR on a cruise ship will cause world chaos? So, where do you draw the line? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted February 21, 2020 #106 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Potstech said: Again where did I say or infer parenting ends? Some parents allow their children a little independence and let them make their own decision. Apparently some do not. So wearing shorts in the MDR on a cruise ship will cause world chaos? Rules are rules and not following those rules shows no concern for rules. Parents are to teach children how to follow rules not break them when they feel like it. WRONG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 21, 2020 #107 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) IMHO it is my job to teach the next generation on how to formulate an independent decision. It's not that we have no regard for rules but in a non-totalitarian society if you don't like the rules, change them. We're permitted to have that. At least here in Sunny California. However, as previously stated, be active / no phones at table / respectful Edited February 21, 2020 by Ombud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
California Traveler Posted February 21, 2020 #108 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Still enjoying this discussion. Hubby wears silk shorts and has no hair on legs, just incase someone is looking under our table.... Yes they are still shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted February 21, 2020 #109 Share Posted February 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, Ombud said: IMHO it is my job to teach the next generation on how to formulate an independent decision. It's not that we have no regard for rules but in a non-totalitarian society if you don't like the rules, change them. We're permitted to have that. At least here in Sunny California. However, as previously stated, be active / no phones at table / respectful An Independent decision is not something a person does to break the law or rules. Period! Respect for laws and rules are to be taught. Not the other way around. However I do agree. Do not like them, try to change them. In the meantime abide by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted February 21, 2020 #110 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, tanzer22pilot said: So, where do you draw the line? Overalls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted February 21, 2020 #111 Share Posted February 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, California Traveler said: Still enjoying this discussion. Hubby wears silk shorts and has no hair on legs, just incase someone is looking under our table.... Yes they are still shorts. Way TMI....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG TIME CRUISER Posted February 21, 2020 #112 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, tanzer22pilot said: So, where do you draw the line? When breaking a "rule" subjects others to inconvenience or dismay. As I view it there's not much that you do to cause it in a dining room, especially not a choice of clothing. If a choice of someone else's clothing is that upsetting to a person, perhaps their sailing on the wrong cruise line. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 21, 2020 #113 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Colo Cruiser said: Overalls? I would think that with the right bling, overalls would be acceptable. Maybe a nice sparkly top like the women wear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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