ssb Posted March 30, 2020 #26 Share Posted March 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, NavyCruiser said: Then they should switch Capital Projects' funding source from RCL to Port of Galveston. I don't know of any Airlines building their own terminals at the airports... It's a Public Private Partnership. The Cruise Lines have been providing funding all over the world for projects . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted March 30, 2020 #27 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BSocial said: whoa, what makes you think the Port has the funds for this huge project? This is a partnership with Royal. Port Contributes infrastructure work around pier 10. RCI builds the new terminal #3. RCI pays a lease. It’s a win-win for both, even with a year’s delay. Remember, the Port is also losing money currently from lack of ship calls (passenger taxes) and parking fees. @ssb may have posted the original contract details when it was originally signed last December. Perhaps he can find and post the revised contract details after the Wharves meeting tomorrow, Thanks BSocial . The more important information will be from meeting tomorrow . I will provide update . Edited March 30, 2020 by ssb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 30, 2020 Author #28 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ssb said: It's a Public Private Partnership. The Cruise Lines have been providing funding all over the world for projects . . Port Canaveral picks up almost all the cost for their terminals. Just finished 163 million terminal for Carnival. I believe Carnival chipped in 50 million But they guarantee 14 million in port fees Edited March 30, 2020 by John&LaLa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyCruiser Posted March 30, 2020 #29 Share Posted March 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, ssb said: whoa, what makes you think the Port has the funds for this huge project? Whoa, what makes you think the Cruise Line has the funds for this huge project TODAY? At least Port Authorities has access to Municipal Revenues Bonds capital funding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare bobmacliberty Posted March 30, 2020 #30 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Could also be a renegotiation ploy on Royal's part. I'm sure that their cashflow issues are real, but they may be using this to get better terms with the port authority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE-O Posted March 30, 2020 #31 Share Posted March 30, 2020 We're booked on Allure B-2-B in early 2022. Not interested in the other ship options for Galveston. I wonder what RCCL'S position will be if we choose to cancel (non-refundable) if they can't deliver an Oasis class ship for that timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted March 30, 2020 #32 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, STEVE-O said: We're booked on Allure B-2-B in early 2022. Not interested in the other ship options for Galveston. I wonder what RCCL'S position will be if we choose to cancel (non-refundable) if they can't deliver an Oasis class ship for that timeframe. Typically this would be treated as a redeployment. You will get 1. a couple sailings to choose from and some OBC or 2. just some OBC to move to any other cruise or 3. The option to cancel and receive a full refund including those on non refundable deposits. You must wait for Royal to cancel the cruise. If you cancel it you will get nothing and pay any penalties associated with the cancellation. Edited March 30, 2020 by Ourusualbeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted March 30, 2020 #33 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, NavyCruiser said: Whoa, what makes you think the Cruise Line has the funds for this huge project TODAY? At least Port Authorities has access to Municipal Revenues Bonds capital funding... Galveston Wharves The public agency that operates the public port is officially known as the Board of Trustees of the Galveston Wharves, so designated by the City Charter as set forth and adopted on October 17, 1940. The wharf and terminal properties purchased by the City of Galveston were set apart and designated as a separate utility of the city - thus the name "Galveston Wharves." Port of Galveston is an enterprise type business, not a municipality. Income is derived only from revenues of Wharves Operations. It has no taxing authority therefore no tax base supporting operations Or capital funding . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 30, 2020 Author #34 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, NavyCruiser said: Whoa, what makes you think the Cruise Line has the funds for this huge project TODAY? At least Port Authorities has access to Municipal Revenues Bonds capital funding... Yes, Port Canaveral issues bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyCruiser Posted March 31, 2020 #35 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Municipalities with taxing power issues General Obligation bonds. Houston airport systems & Harris County toll road authorities, Special projects (bridges, stadiums, etc...) are not Municipalities, but do issue Municipal Revenue Bonds. Port of Galveston bonds are revenue bonds... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcfc424 Posted March 31, 2020 #36 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just to answer a question posted above, yes, airlines do pay for terminal construction. Often times it is a split public-private partnership, but many are built predominantly with airline money. Examples would be Terminal 8 @ JFK paid for by AA, LGA terminal (D I think) paid for by Delta, etc. Usually, those are exclusive-use terminals where the airline and it's partners are the only users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted March 31, 2020 #37 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, NavyCruiser said: Then they should switch Capital Projects' funding source from RCL to Port of Galveston. I don't know of any Airlines building their own terminals at the airports... Roger Rees ex Port Canaveral's chief financial officer and also was one of Port Canaveral's two deputy executive directors , appears to not agree with you. He is now the port director/chief executive officer in Galveston . Edited March 31, 2020 by ssb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 31, 2020 Author #38 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ssb said: Roger Rees ex Port Canaveral's chief financial officer and also was one of Port Canaveral's two deputy executive directors , appears to not agree with you. He is now the port director/chief executive officer in Galveston . That sounds good for Carnival Apologies, but what happened at the wharves meeting, or is that tonight? Edited March 31, 2020 by John&LaLa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted March 31, 2020 #39 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: That sounds good for Carnival Apologies, but what happened at the wharves meeting, or is that tonight? Wharves meetings occur in day . And discussion will be in Executive Session ! Hopefully there is some release of information by Port, but if negotiations are still on going , we may not find out for while . If Royal is wanted in Galveston , Port will really have no option but to grant a reasonable extension . Apologies also , but expound on Carnival comment ???? Thanks .😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Liljo22 Posted March 31, 2020 #40 Share Posted March 31, 2020 22 hours ago, NavyCruiser said: I don't know of any Airlines building their own terminals at the airports... Here in Houston, both Southwest(Hobby) and United(Bush) built new terminals recently. https://hub.united.com/united-houston-new-terminal-c-2567373000.html https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/airports-municipalities/news/11182222/southwest-begins-construction-of-new-terminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 31, 2020 Author #41 Share Posted March 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, ssb said: Apologies also , but expound on Carnival comment ???? Thanks .😃 I misread your post. I thought you said Roger worked for Carnival.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted March 31, 2020 #42 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, John&LaLa said: I misread your post. I thought you said Roger worked for Carnival.😉 hey no problem . 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyCruiser Posted March 31, 2020 #43 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Roger, Over and Out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessy48 Posted April 1, 2020 #44 Share Posted April 1, 2020 You can watch the wharf meeting from yesterday online. https://portofgalvestontx.new.swagit.com/videos/51447 I have not watched it yet, but my goal is to have it on today when I make some macarons later, hopefully we will know. Once I hear an answer either way, I will update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted April 1, 2020 #45 Share Posted April 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, nessy48 said: You can watch the wharf meeting from yesterday online. https://portofgalvestontx.new.swagit.com/videos/51447 I have not watched it yet, but my goal is to have it on today when I make some macarons later, hopefully we will know. Once I hear an answer either way, I will update. Looks like the executive session where they discussed The terminal issue was private and not recorded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessy48 Posted April 1, 2020 #46 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Ourusualbeach said: Looks like the executive session where they discussed The terminal issue was private and not recorded Damn, well thanks for checking! Saves me time later! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted April 2, 2020 #47 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Others are saying Allure is still open for booking on Royal's site, in spite of Royal's request for terminal extension . Considering that, could Allure "possibly" still be coming November 2021 ? First thought to ponder We have cruised into and out of Rome a few times on Voyager Class Ships. A tent was used for the terminal in Rome. So guess a tent or two could possibly be used in Galveston 2022 for the Terminal at Pier 10. Allure can be used in the port channel , even if with additional changes required. Galveston in general is completing all work at Pier 10 and other road improvements in area. Second thought to ponder In 2022 Already greatly improved and expanded Terminal # 2 with additional tenting (if needed) could possibly be used for Allure . This while Terminal # 3 being built at Pier 10 not interfering with construction . Supporting information Class / Overall Length Ft* / Draft FtVoyager / 1021 Ft / 29 FtQuantum / 1142 Ft / 29 FtFreedom / 1112 Ft / 29 FtOasis / 1181 Ft / 31 FtEntire Galveston Port Channel “Narrowest” Width 1200 (it is much wider) Minimum Depth 45 And there is turning basin * not at waterline and relative to turn around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 2, 2020 Author #48 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, ssb said: Others are saying Allure is still open for booking on Royal's site, in spite of Royal's request for terminal extension . Considering that, could Allure "possibly" still be coming November 2021 ? First thought to ponder We have cruised into and out of Rome a few times on Voyager Class Ships. A tent was used for the terminal in Rome. So guess a tent or two could possibly be used in Galveston 2022 for the Terminal at Pier 10. Allure can be used in the port channel , even if with additional changes required. Galveston in general is completing all work at Pier 10 and other road improvements in area. Second thought to ponder In 2022 Already greatly improved and expanded Terminal # 2 with additional tenting (if needed) could possibly be used for Allure . This while Terminal # 3 being built at Pier 10 not interfering with construction . Well, they are also still selling May 17, 2020 out of Barcelona, and I'll bet that aint happening either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssb Posted April 2, 2020 #49 Share Posted April 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Well, they are also still selling May 17, 2020 out of Barcelona, and I'll bet that aint happening either. Surely not ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted April 3, 2020 #50 Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 4:50 PM, John&LaLa said: Port Canaveral picks up almost all the cost for their terminals. Just finished 163 million terminal for Carnival. I believe Carnival chipped in 50 million But they guarantee 14 million in port fees If Carnival chipped in 50 million which just under a third of the construction cost, then I would not consider Port Canaveral picking up almost all of the cost. I think in these type of situations the guarantee of port fees is for five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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