govt quietly shortens cdc 100 day no sail order

[mking8288]

55 minutes ago, fstuff1 said:

Permanent damage? ... is this true for EVERYONE who got the virus or only those that showed signs and became sick? 

 

Well, there is a lot more that clinicians still do not know, learning & dealing with the critically sick on the fly, modifying & changing ventilator strategies and sharing best practices to save lives.  Fortunately, the permanent damage is not true for everyone infected with the virus but it is (mostly) true for those seriously ill requiring hospitalization, especially if and when their conditions warranted ICU admission and 20% (more or less) that need to be put on a ventilator.  One of the latest UK finding is that 2/3 of the patients on ventilators do not come off and here in NY, the latest data is that 80% of those on ventilators do not survive C19 illness - very sad and tragic.  The lung is filled with fluid, blood and one of the providers that I spoke with described it as the lungs turning into a spongy gel, oxygen unable to get thru or absorbed = organs failure & cardiac arrest.  The ones that recovered and lives saved will have reduced lung functions and capacities (CPAP use in their future) - part of that outcome is pulmonary fibrosis as a result of pneumonia, with severe ADRS - https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928807#vp_1 

Patients that're hospitalized seemed fine, stable & recovering and apparently - some of them would suddenly, without warnings, just crash & collapse, around Day 7 of in-patient admission ... https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928398 

The high mortality rate, some of that can be attributed to other health factors (which can be hidden & unknown to the infected person, regardless of age) and comorbidity:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928605

All these clinical knowledge and info are coming in, and I am not a clinician and learning along - "merely" focus on the mental health & looking ahead at PTSD, lessons from the post 9/11 recovery & rebuilding efforts here in NYC.  Keep in mind, many of the first responders were told then by the US-EPA that the air in/around ground zero was fine, safe to breath and no masks or N95 needed ... many of the rescuers continued to suffer and died from cancers, including lung cancer - which are attributed to their exposure.  The 9/11 Registry continued to track, update and issue periodic findings and in its annual reporting - continue to share and learn what we didn't fear then. 

 

This just isn't the regular seasonal influenza or even the norovirus, or even being possibly exposed to TB in the course of working in the healthcare business or as a first responder.  

 

Like gambling, it's a calculated risks and playing the odds, except - we simply still do not understand the true percentile with the inconsistent testing, contact tracing, reporting and data analysis to come close to accurately charting this global pandemic.  Suffice to say, some will died and even for those that recovered from an extended hospitalization (2 to 3 weeks on average) - a fraction (small, tiny or whatever) will live serious damages, not necessary just reduced lung functions on a permanent basis.  It is just another reason why it is scary for doctors & nurses on the frontline - not to mention, other essential workers that struggled to keep the economy going.  

 

 

 

[Corliss]

Everyone has to assess risk to their own satisfaction.  I disagree with you about the risk of cruising "in the shadow of covid-19" as you put it.  Even back in February NCL had already begun to check each passenger prior to boarding for temperature, coughing, etc.  And began requiring physicians letters for certain categories of passengers.  The ship was kept spotless with nonstop sanitizing going on from top to bottom and passengers were no longer allowed to touch things in the buffet or dining room that other people would touch.  And, of course, they sprayed every passenger with sanitizer before entering the buffet.  In my view contracting covid aboard a ship will not be a significant risk.  

 

On the other hand your medscape article certainly highlighted the risk of being a HCW or even coming in contact with one.  The stats for this industry are awful and these people are incredibly brave for enduring this risk. 

 

"In Pennsylvania, 4.4% of the health care workforce had COVID-19 as of Monday. In Oklahoma, 10.6% of confirmed coronavirus patients worked in health care; in Ohio, that share is roughly 20%. Rhode Island, roughly 70% of COVID-19 tests are going to medical personnel, and they make up a quarter of all confirmed cases in the state."

 

So, what I will avoid is contact with health care workers...:-)

 

Yes, ventilators do a lot of damage to lungs if you even survive.  Even doctors are starting to express skepticism about the use of them in this disease.  Early administration of hydroxychloroquine/Zpac has been very effective in minimizing the number of patients who eventually end up on them and thus, the number of patients who die from covid.  

 

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/