RJ2002 Posted May 16, 2020 #26 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/10/2020 at 3:12 PM, Jancruz said: Right now shipyards are closed no one to refurb Jancruz1 The Fincantieri yards were starting to reopen as of late April, with expected full ramp-up by end of May / early June... per this article. https://www.defensenews.com/coronavirus/2020/04/22/fincantieri-reopens-shipyards-in-italy/ Not sure where the Nautica refurb was scheduled to take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted May 16, 2020 #27 Share Posted May 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, LHT28 said: Could be a number of reasons she is on the move Taking some crew home to India getting out since the number of cases of Covid has spiked in the past few weeks in Dubai Less expensive dockage fees elsewhere Only time will tell The Canal area is a perfect location for flexible future deployment (as is Oakland for Regatta). Clearly, Oceania is repositioning the fleet for the most efficacious restart in the third and fourth quarters. I was starting to get concerned about Nautica's extended Dubai stay (which started in early March after our disembarkation). Her next scheduled Dubai departure is in early December and we're on the two prior segments (Athens-Athens-Dubai). So, the move up to the Suez with a better shot at Piraeus is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted May 16, 2020 #28 Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, RJ2002 said: The Fincantieri yards were starting to reopen as of late April, with expected full ramp-up by end of May / early June... per this article. https://www.defensenews.com/coronavirus/2020/04/22/fincantieri-reopens-shipyards-in-italy/ Not sure where the Nautica refurb was scheduled to take place. Spain but I can't remember the Port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted May 16, 2020 #29 Share Posted May 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, RJ2002 said: The Fincantieri yards were starting to reopen as of late April, with expected full ramp-up by end of May / early June... per this article. https://www.defensenews.com/coronavirus/2020/04/22/fincantieri-reopens-shipyards-in-italy/ Not sure where the Nautica refurb was scheduled to take place. They will probably looking at finishing some of the Monster ships so they can complete the contracts & get some cash flow Though the refurb is pricey but in the grand scheme probably not a big money maker JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted May 16, 2020 #30 Share Posted May 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, RJ2002 said: The Fincantieri yards were starting to reopen as of late April, with expected full ramp-up by end of May / early June... per this article. Not sure where the Nautica refurb was scheduled to take place. I think it's more the lack of cash rather than docks that will delay the refurbishment IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanandJim Posted May 16, 2020 #31 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Paulchili said: I think it's more the lack of cash rather than docks that will delay the refurbishment IMO. Not sure that is an accurate view. Fincantieri is Governmentally subsidized with an eye to keeping Italian workers employed. They likely dispense credit with a trowel rather than a teaspoon. Based on the Worldwide Situation, I would venture to say that they are likely begging Cruise Lines for their business. Edited May 16, 2020 by StanandJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted May 16, 2020 #32 Share Posted May 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, StanandJim said: Not sure that is an accurate view. Fincantieri is Governmentally subsidized with an eye to keeping Italian workers employed. They likely dispense credit with a trowel rather than a teaspoon. Based on the Worldwide Situation, I would venture to say that they are likely begging Cruise Lines for their business. Fincatieri isn't exactly begging for business. They have a large backlog of new ship orders. Per their 2019 annual report they have 98 vessels in their order book, with the backlog having a value of 32.7 billion euro. If you were to order a new ship today it wouldn't be completed for several years. Note: Not all of the orders are for cruise ships, but we know that many are, including significant orders from NCLH for all three of its cruise lines, as well as MSC, Viking, Carnival Corp. and Ponant. The real question is in light of the effect of the pandemic on cruise line profitability...even cruise line viability...for the foreseeable future, will many of those new ship orders be cancelled? I have to believe construction will at a minimum be postponed until the cruise lines have a better grasp of what the post-pandemic demand for their product will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted May 16, 2020 #33 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, StanandJim said: Based on the Worldwide Situation, I would venture to say that they are likely begging Cruise Lines for their business. I am sure that they are but what are the cruise lines going to use to pay with for this service? One thing they seem to guard more than anything else is cash and acquiring more debt/loans until they have an actual income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICT lineman Posted May 16, 2020 #34 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The Nautica OceaniaNEXT refit would have been scheduled well in advance and does not require a shipyard ‘dry-dock’. The new cabin interiors and public area updates would also have been made prior to the shut-down and at least partially paid for well in advance ... perhaps as much as 70%. IMO, everything is/will be there ... so just waiting for the ship ... and will go ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted May 16, 2020 #35 Share Posted May 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, ICT lineman said: at least partially paid for well in advance ... perhaps as much as 70%. Do you know this for a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICT lineman Posted May 17, 2020 #36 Share Posted May 17, 2020 15 hours ago, Paulchili said: Do you know this for a fact? perhaps ... If you have a better WAG ... go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pinotlover Posted May 17, 2020 #37 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) I say we wait a month without WAGs and see! No one is going anywhere between now and then anyway! 😂 Edited May 17, 2020 by pinotlover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jancruz Posted May 18, 2020 #38 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/16/2020 at 8:54 AM, RJ2002 said: The Fincantieri yards were starting to reopen as of late April, with expected full ramp-up by end of May / early June... per this article. https://www.defensenews.com/coronavirus/2020/04/22/fincantieri-reopens-shipyards-in-italy/ Not sure where the Nautica refurb was scheduled to take place. When I talked to the boss last week he told me the ship yards are still closed.. Jancruz1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_travel_locks Posted May 19, 2020 Author #39 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I understand plan was for Nautica to be refurbished at Marseille June 8-21 - possibly it's current location (heading into Red Sea) after leaving Dubai suggests this may be going ahead. Edited May 19, 2020 by the_travel_locks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightpath2 Posted May 19, 2020 #40 Share Posted May 19, 2020 We were on her last cruise and the plan still held, she was at anchor in Dubai due to sail for Rome 19th May. She left as planned early this morning, guess she will still be scheduled for refurb as this was already committed to by the company. I imagine there will be penalties to pay if they cancel. We are booked to sail on sierena July 30th but doubt this will go ahead as it is around Italy, flights too and from will be difficult, not to mention health insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted May 19, 2020 #41 Share Posted May 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Flightpath2 said: We were on her last cruise and the plan still held, she was at anchor in Dubai due to sail for Rome 19th May. She left as planned early this morning, guess she will still be scheduled for refurb as this was already committed to by the company. I imagine there will be penalties to pay if they cancel. We are booked to sail on sierena July 30th but doubt this will go ahead as it is around Italy, flights too and from will be difficult, not to mention health insurance We were on the February cruise that ended in Dubai too. My understanding is that Nautica departed Dubai last week - repositioning to the Suez Canal, which would be a most advantageous location for flexible deployment depending on whatever. FWIW, the CNDM yards in Marseille started ramping up back to work last week too. Fingers crossed! We'll do two Nautica segments in November (Athens-Athens-Dubai). We're keeping our eye on Port of Piraeus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanine Posted May 23, 2020 #42 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Has anyone seen pictures of the color scheme being used for the cabins on the Nautica? Hope it isn’t the cold modern gray colors that seem to be the current trend in home furnishings! We prefer more traditional and warm colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted May 23, 2020 #43 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jeanine said: Has anyone seen pictures of the color scheme being used for the cabins on the Nautica? Hope it isn’t the cold modern gray colors that seem to be the current trend in home furnishings! We prefer more traditional and warm colors Google Oceania NEXT and search for the video that covers the entire decor. In the meantime, here's a look at an A/B Veranda cabin on the other R Ships (I doubt it will change for Nautica): IMG_4816.JP2 Edited May 23, 2020 by Flatbush Flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanine Posted May 23, 2020 #44 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Thank you for the pic! Looks like a lot of gray! Not loving it. Too bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted May 23, 2020 #45 Share Posted May 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, jeanine said: Thank you for the pic! Looks like a lot of gray! Not loving it. Too bad! Actually, quite an improvement over the previous woodsy look IMO. But, more importantly, you'll find much more useful storage, device chargers, On Demand entertainment, shower doors(!) and the same heavenly beds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ2002 Posted May 24, 2020 #46 Share Posted May 24, 2020 We experienced the new look on Regatta this past year, and thought it was very nice. Lots of hard work involved in the refurb. The GM presented a very interested video of the transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ2002 Posted May 24, 2020 #47 Share Posted May 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, RJ2002 said: We experienced the new look on Regatta this past year, and thought it was very nice. Lots of hard work involved in the refurb. The GM presented a very interested video of the transformation. *interesting* video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanine Posted May 24, 2020 #48 Share Posted May 24, 2020 After looking at pics of the refurbishment and reading the positive comments I am feeling more positive re: the changes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysteps Posted May 25, 2020 #49 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Spouse is not a fan of gray for decor but loved the new post-Next Insignia. Hard to tell until you are onboard... someday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_travel_locks Posted May 25, 2020 Author #50 Share Posted May 25, 2020 On 5/24/2020 at 5:03 AM, Flatbush Flyer said: Actually, quite an improvement over the previous woodsy look IMO. But, more importantly, you'll find much more useful storage, device chargers, On Demand entertainment, shower doors(!) and the same heavenly beds! Looking forward to it. From the pictures I think the light and airy blue/grey really brings the ocean feel right into the room too. Fingers crossed Nautica is still going ahead with the planned June refurb . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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