Scrapping of Cruise Ships

[mrlevin]

This is a photo of Monarch (ex Monarch of the Seas) and Sovereign (ex Sovereign of the Seas) beached at Aliaga Turkey to begin breaking up.  Carnival Fantasy and Carnival Inspiration are speeding to Turkey to meet the same fate.  Carnival Corporation has already disposed of 10% of their 110 ship fleet; RCI (through Pullmantur) has also started the process.  What NCLH ships will meet the same fate?

 

[greykitty]

In this interview, Mr. del Rio indicated 

 

One thing Del Rio doesn’t envision is ship retirements, at least for his company’s brands.

“We have the youngest fleet in the industry by far,” he noted. “The average age of our ships is 10 years, so we are far from retiring any vessels.”

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2756415-scrapping-of-cruise-ships/

 

After lunch I'll see if I can find ages for each of the NCLH subs to see how they figured the average age.

 

 

[greykitty]

Regent ships per Wikipedia (pasta is boiling, LOL)

 

Ship	Built	Builder	Gross Tonnage	Flag	Image
Seven Seas Navigator	1999	T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy	28,550 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Voyager	2003	T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy	42,363 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Mariner	2001	Chantiers de l'Atlantique, Saint-Nazaire, France	48,075 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Explorer	2016	Fincantieri, Sestri Ponente, Genova	54,000 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Splendor	2020	Fincantieri, Ancona[3]	55,254 GT	Bahamas

Future Ships

[greykitty]

Oceana via icruise site

 

6 Oceania Cruises Ships

Ship Name	Built	Size	Capacity	Itineraries	Details
Insignia 4 / 16 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	350 cabins 684 guests	47	More
Marina 4 / 44 Ratings	2016	66,084 tons	629 cabins 1,250 guests	69	More
Nautica 4 / 12 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	60	More
Regatta 4 / 43 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	54	More
Riviera 4 / 19 Ratings	2012	66,084 tons	629 cabins 1,250 guests	74	More
Sirena 4 / 12 Ratings	2000	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	66

[mrlevin]

Kitty thanks for the data; NCLH does have a very young fleet indeed; no need for the scrappers.  I wonder, then, which ships will enter cold layup for a year or more (like the two additional Carnival ships)?

[Wendy The Wanderer]

I get an average of about 14 years for Regent. About 16 for Oceania.  Guess the NCL fleet must be much younger.  Ahem.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Wendy The Wanderer

[greykitty]

I guess my question would be, depending on how things go, which of the ships in any lines could be operated under 'COVID' guidance with the best return on investment, if NCLH had to decide to either scrap, sell, or put into long term cold storage.  Or, which ship could be sold for the best return, perhaps.  Hard decisions, I'd think.   Not sure age alone is the determinant?

 

I don't believe NCLH breaks out profitability by line, by ship, or at least I haven't tripped over it.

[greykitty]

Well, I didn't cross check the websites to confirm accuracy of data.

 

I know I keep saying this, but I wonder if the 2Q earnings report, which still hasn't had a date announced, will provide a little more context for a lot of questions.  Like cold layups, etc.  

 

And now my pasta is cooked!  Happy afternoon, all!

[Bellaggio Cruisers]

57 minutes ago, greykitty said:

Well, I didn't cross check the websites to confirm accuracy of data.

 

I know I keep saying this, but I wonder if the 2Q earnings report, which still hasn't had a date announced, will provide a little more context for a lot of questions.  Like cold layups, etc.  

 

And now my pasta is cooked!  Happy afternoon, all!

You are quite the busy one, doing all this heavy research. Enjoy your lunch break.....

[greykitty]

Google helps so much with searching these days - sure better than sitting in the library staring at microfiche as I did back in the olden days.  Have a good evening.

 

 

[Kwaj girl]

1 hour ago, greykitty said:

Regent ships per Wikipedia (pasta is boiling, LOL)

 

Ship	Built	Builder	Gross Tonnage	Flag	Image
Seven Seas Navigator	1999	T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy	28,550 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Voyager	2003	T. Mariotti, Genoa, Italy	42,363 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Mariner	2001	Chantiers de l'Atlantique, Saint-Nazaire, France	48,075 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Explorer	2016	Fincantieri, Sestri Ponente, Genova	54,000 GT	Bahamas
Seven Seas Splendor	2020	Fincantieri, Ancona[3]	55,254 GT	Bahamas

Future Ships

 

Correction:

 

Explorer & Splendor are flagged in Majuro, Marshall Islands

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Kwaj girl

[Robroy]

The websites and videos of the ship scrapyards and beaches in third world countries are so depressing.......particularly when you see what's left of some of the ships you've sailed on!🤕

[mrlevin]

My first cruise ship never made it to the breakers, it sank off Cape Town while being towed to Alang.  Britanis was a wonderful ship; it actually served as a troop carrier during WWII before it eventually went to Chandris (which is now Celebrity).  

 

Marc

[Kwaj girl]

2 hours ago, mrlevin said:

My first cruise ship never made it to the breakers, it sank off Cape Town while being towed to Alang.  Britanis was a wonderful ship; it actually served as a troop carrier during WWII before it eventually went to Chandris (which is now Celebrity).  

 

Marc

 

We sailed the Britannis once when we lived in FL mid-'90's.  OLD but classic.

[WNcruiser]

On 7/23/2020 at 12:45 PM, greykitty said:

Oceana via icruise site

 

6 Oceania Cruises Ships

Ship Name	Built	Size	Capacity	Itineraries	Details
Insignia 4 / 16 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	350 cabins 684 guests	47	More
Marina 4 / 44 Ratings	2016	66,084 tons	629 cabins 1,250 guests	69	More
Nautica 4 / 12 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	60	More
Regatta 4 / 43 Ratings	1998	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	54	More
Riviera 4 / 19 Ratings	2012	66,084 tons	629 cabins 1,250 guests	74	More
Sirena 4 / 12 Ratings	2000	30,277 tons	351 cabins 684 guests	66

Marina is older than Riviera. I believe she was built in 2011. 

[Travelcat2]

WNcruiser - of course you are correct.  There were a few errors in icruise's listing but they are a travel agency.  If I wanted to learn when a ship was built, I would check with the cruise line website!