Vaccineg

[zap99]

3 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

Hope all goes well for Josy as well as yourself Pete 

Respect to all those prepared to step up to the plate. A noble and selfless act.

[purplesea]

Going by the list of who gets the vaccines first, I am well down the list so I expect I will have to wait a long time!

[majortom10]

17 minutes ago, pete14 said:

Hope it goes well for you tomorrow. Mine is on Friday. 

 

43 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

I have no reservations about getting the vaccine.  I will go for the first one that is approved by the powers that be in this country because although I am taking part in the phase 3 tests for one of the vaccines and will be having my second dose tomorrow I obviously don't know whether I have been the vaccine or the placebo.

I strongly believe that vaccination is going to be the only way that we will get back to anything like normal.

Good luck to both of you and hope everything goes well and we all should be very grateful what you are doing.

[grapau27]

1 hour ago, cruisenewbie1976 said:

Its certainly not the place to come if you need cheering up 🤣

This might cheer you up.

Edited November 10, 2020 by grapau27

[terrierjohn]

1 hour ago, majortom10 said:

There are certainly many pessimistic, doom and gloom and depressing merchants on this forum and if you believed everything they say many would be cutting their wrists. I am more of an optimist and think certainly by summer if roll out of vaccine has been successful there would be no need for social distancing and mask wearing restrictions. One thing I think should happen is there should be proof of vaccination and if you have not had the vaccine then you shouldnt be allowed to book a cruise.

If you've not had the jab you should have to continue wearing a mask and keep social distancing, and in time you will also need to carry a bell.

[davecttr]

3 hours ago, Esprit said:

Fair enough, but I'm quite happy to wait, unless cruise lines insist passengers have to be vaccinated to board.

The odds are I'll kill or injury myself more likely skiing than die from Covid. 

Look at it this way. the 3000 passengers aboard the ship split evenly between under and over 50 years. The younger ones don't get the vaccine and don't give a d**mn so social distancing is compromised. The older ones have the vaccine so are immune so social distancing is compromised, hold on, 150 think they are immune but are not. Serious problem for the cruise line 😨

 

Always best to game out possible scenarios otherwise how can you make a reasoned decision, toss a coin?

 

edit - interesting fact, a percentage of the population always seem to make the wrong decision, apparently their brains are wired differently so they tend not to base decisions on previous experience. In our natural state they would be eaten by lions or whatever, now they are protected by society so the human race, especially the wealthy bit, is getting stupider 😁

 

edit - maybe we need to have a good antibody test as part of the post vaccine testing?

Edited November 10, 2020 by davecttr

[Ardennais]

5 hours ago, Esprit said:

The vaccine is great news and our cruise next July looks more promising whether or not I have been vaccinated.

Personally, I would prefer my son and daughter were vaccinated before me as they go out and about socialising much more.

That makes a lot of sense to me. 

[davecttr]

1 hour ago, terrierjohn said:

If you've not had the jab you should have to continue wearing a mask and keep social distancing, and in time you will also need to carry a bell.

and your smartphone broadcasting unclean, unclean, also the ring tone 😈

[Windsurfboy]

As someone who is 69.9 therefore just over 10 million people ahead of me in queue, I'm  happy  if people want to give up their vaccination so I can get vaccinated earlier. 

[davecttr]

32 minutes ago, Windsurfboy said:

As someone who is 69.9 therefore just over 10 million people ahead of me in queue, I'm  happy  if people want to give up their vaccination so I can get vaccinated earlier. 

They reckon up to a third of people won't bother so the queue might move faster

[zap99]

3 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

If you've not had the jab you should have to continue wearing a mask and keep social distancing, and in time you will also need to carry a bell.

If many on here go on a cruise soon they should wear a mask. That way nobody will recognise those folk that said they would never go on a cruise again, at least not til 2028.

Outbreak is on telly tonight.  Who scheduled that ?.🤔

[Adawn47]

7 hours ago, majortom10 said:

There are certainly many pessimistic, doom and gloom and depressing merchants on this forum and if you believed everything they say many would be cutting their wrists

Not me Tom. I can see a positive in any situation.  Problems aren't solved by moaning about them. 

I'm an optimist, just in case you hadn't noticed.😊

Avril

[grapau27]

40 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

Not me Tom. I can see a positive in any situation.  Problems aren't solved by moaning about them. 

I'm an optimist, just in case you hadn't noticed.😊

Avril

TBH I don't think anyone on here is too pessimistic and lots like you,Kalos,Andy and myself are positive people.

Edited November 10, 2020 by grapau27

[zap99]

10 hours ago, Adawn47 said:

Not me Tom. I can see a positive in any situation.  Problems aren't solved by moaning about them. 

I'm an optimist, just in case you hadn't noticed.😊

Avril

I won't be optimistic untill the daily thunderer tells me, but the only if there is a vaccine that somebody else has tested and proven to work and the P&O IT doesn't tell me something else. If you don't moan about a problem how can it get bigger? You positive people need to go to Specsavers like that nice man did 6 months ago, he got a jolly good telling off. And another thing..... 🤣🤣👅

[Chrisdriving]

23 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

If you've not had the jab you should have to continue wearing a mask and keep social distancing, and in time you will also need to carry a bell.

A bit rich considering there ia nothing to suggest any Vaccine will offer sterilising immunity thus meaning Vaccinated people can still spread it.

[terrierjohn]

3 minutes ago, Chrisdriving said:

A bit rich considering there ia nothing to suggest any Vaccine will offer sterilising immunity thus meaning Vaccinated people can still spread it.

If you say so, however it is accepted as being the only way to defeat this pandemic, and all my experiences of vaccination and immunisation during my lifetime tends to support that view. Measles, Polio, Smallpox, Mumps etc all effectively wiped out due to inoculation.

[Chrisdriving]

3 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

If you say so, however it is accepted as being the only way to defeat this pandemic, and all my experiences of vaccination and immunisation during my lifetime tends to support that view. Measles, Polio, Smallpox, Mumps etc all effectively wiped out due to inoculation.

Flu and Coronavirus are different to those.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/24/endless-hunt-for-the-perfect-influenza-vaccine-flu-jab

Edited November 11, 2020 by Chrisdriving

[terrierjohn]

1 minute ago, Chrisdriving said:

Flu and Coronavirus are different to those.

Let's wait and see shall we, but it does seems that the worldwide scientific community might just be more on my side than your's.

[Chrisdriving]

Dont just rely on info spoon fed by the media.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31976-0/fulltext

 

 

These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Chrisdriving

[terrierjohn]

9 minutes ago, Chrisdriving said:

Dont just rely on info spoon fed by the media.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31976-0/fulltext

 

 

These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.

But if transmission is primarily from droplets coughed or sneezed into the atmosphere, then surely reducing the symptoms should significantly reduce the transmission rate, even if the unproven possibility that the vaccine might not prevent you contracting the disease does prove to be true?

[davecttr]

46 minutes ago, Chrisdriving said:

Dont just rely on info spoon fed by the media.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31976-0/fulltext

 

 

These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.

For the moment just the possibility of considerably reducing my chance of dying from it if infected will do for starters 🤞

[zap99]

1 hour ago, Chrisdriving said:

A bit rich considering there ia nothing to suggest any Vaccine will offer sterilising immunity thus meaning Vaccinated people can still spread it.

Not really. I'm no expert, unlike many on here, but I thought that vaccinated people couldn't spread it to other vaccinatees. I have probably got it wrong again, but will no doubt be corrected 😁.

[zap99]

1 hour ago, terrierjohn said:

Let's wait and see shall we, but it does seems that the worldwide scientific community might just be more on my side than your's.

I am a scientist And I agree with you. I must admit that Covid didn't take up much of the time I spent lecturing on construction materials.🤔

[Adawn47]

1 hour ago, terrierjohn said:

If you say so, however it is accepted as being the only way to defeat this pandemic, and all my experiences of vaccination and immunisation during my lifetime tends to support that view. Measles, Polio, Smallpox, Mumps etc all effectively wiped out due to inoculation.

Sorry John, but you will find the only one to be effectively erradicated is Smallpox.

Avril

[terrierjohn]

15 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

Sorry John, but you will find the only one to be effectively erradicated is Smallpox.

Avril

In this country Avril I think I can safely say that if you have been vaccinated you are far more likely to win the lottery jackpot than contract Polio, Measles or Mumps, as well as Smallpox.