Dermotsgirl Posted November 23, 2020 #51 Share Posted November 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: One of the biggest and most dangerous things all through this pandemic has been the media. Each one covers the same stories and comes up with their own version of the truth depending on their political colour. They will edit interviews and pictures to suit their own agenda. Bad news sells. I prefer to go straight to the horse's mouth and listen to the briefings. Avril I don’t rely on any one source for information. I use a number of sources for information, and cross check between sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted November 23, 2020 #52 Share Posted November 23, 2020 9 hours ago, wowzz said: But, at present, it appears the vaccine only stops the effects of CV19, so even if you have been vaccinated you can still take the virus onboard. You keep quoting this wowzz but all the comments I see about the vaccines is that they need more data to determine if it will stop the virus or just protect you from getting symptoms. Although the latest announcement from Novavax is that their vaccine does appear to stop the virus taking hold. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted November 23, 2020 #53 Share Posted November 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, davecttr said: more info, apparently none of the vaccinated test group had to be hospitalised or died so it might behave like the flu vaccine, which I heard can reduce the disease severity even if you catch it. That's all any vaccine does, but it's better than nothing. Avril 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted November 23, 2020 #54 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: You keep quoting this wowzz but all the comments I see about the vaccines is that they need more data to determine if it will stop the virus or just protect you from getting symptoms. Although the latest announcement from Novavax is that their vaccine does appear to stop the virus taking hold. I have heard this morning on one of the BBC twitter feeds, Sir Mene Pangalos, Executive Vice-President at BioPharmaceuticals stating that the vaccines potentially reduce transmission. Obviously with an interest, but would expect more news on that to come out soon. Edited November 23, 2020 by jaydee6969 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted November 23, 2020 #55 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: I don’t rely on any one source for information. I use a number of sources for information, and cross check between sources. I think that puts you in a different category to most people then, like Avril I take most notice of the briefings, but I despair of the inane questions most of the media ask. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted November 23, 2020 #56 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: I think that puts you in a different category to most people then, like Avril I take most notice of the briefings, but I despair of the inane questions most of the media ask. I don't listen to the questions afterwards. It's the manipulating media again. 😁 Avril 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 23, 2020 #57 Share Posted November 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: You keep quoting this wowzz but all the comments I see about the vaccines is that they need more data to determine if it will stop the virus or just protect you from getting symptoms. Although the latest announcement from Novavax is that their vaccine does appear to stop the virus taking hold. As you say, it is probably too early to state definitively one way or the other, but at present there is little evidence to suggest that any new vaccine reduces transmission. Which is why I do not believe that normality will suddenly return just because of mass vaccination. With specific reference to cruising, for example, even if every passenger and crew member was vaccinated, that does not necessarily mean that a cruise ship is going to be welcomed everywhere, especially in countries where no mass vaccination has taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted November 23, 2020 #58 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just seen this from Prof Andrew Pollard:- Pollard added there was "a hint in the data" that this dose regime "was also able to reduce asymptomatic infection". “If that is right, we might be able to halt the virus in its tracks and stop transmitting between people," he said. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted November 23, 2020 #59 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Adawn47 said: One of the biggest and most dangerous things all through this pandemic has been the media. Each one covers the same stories and comes up with their own version of the truth depending on their political colour. They will edit interviews and pictures to suit their own agenda. Bad news sells. I prefer to go straight to the horse's mouth and listen to the briefings. Avril Avril. A bit like some cc posts. Drill down through the reports. There will be a bad bit somewhere.,🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted November 23, 2020 #60 Share Posted November 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: I think that puts you in a different category to most people then, like Avril I take most notice of the briefings, but I despair of the inane questions most of the media ask. I really wish some of those on the panel would say " are you trained to ask stupid questions, or does it come naturally. Next ". Why wont you tell us what the numbers will be next Thursday fortnight ?.🤔 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted November 23, 2020 #61 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, terrierjohn said: I think that puts you in a different category to most people then, like Avril I take most notice of the briefings, but I despair of the inane questions most of the media ask. I also like to watch Prime Ministers Question time on Wednesday at midday . Same as you though I despair when some "Tm But Dim MP" stands up and asks Boris ... " Will the Prime minister join me in congratulating my constituents in reviving our local flag pole to it's former glory in the village where I live ?" I'm sure we have many more burning questions that need answers in the 40 minutes Boris is there in Parliament . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX-Drew Posted November 23, 2020 #62 Share Posted November 23, 2020 My worry is how long the vaccine will last. I had Covid-19 back in April and still have some effects from it now but worryingly after an antibody test a couple of weeks back I had no antibodies. I'm happy to take a jab every time I want to go on a cruise by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted November 23, 2020 #63 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, MX-Drew said: My worry is how long the vaccine will last. I had Covid-19 back in April and still have some effects from it now but worryingly after an antibody test a couple of weeks back I had no antibodies. I'm happy to take a jab every time I want to go on a cruise by the way. Did that test also look for the important T-cells? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX-Drew Posted November 23, 2020 #64 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, jaydee6969 said: Did that test also look for the important T-cells? I believe it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted November 23, 2020 #65 Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, MX-Drew said: I'm happy to take a jab every time I want to go on a cruise by the way I wonder how much private inoculations will cost, as obviously you could not get a jab on the NHS just for a cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted November 23, 2020 #66 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, MX-Drew said: My worry is how long the vaccine will last. I had Covid-19 back in April and still have some effects from it now but worryingly after an antibody test a couple of weeks back I had no antibodies. I'm happy to take a jab every time I want to go on a cruise by the way. If I have to have the vaccine yearly wth the flu vaccine, then so-be-it. It's early days yet so who knows, further down the line they could combine it with the flu vaccine and give them both together. They've come a long way already over the last 9 months Avril 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX-Drew Posted November 23, 2020 #67 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, wowzz said: I wonder how much private inoculations will cost, as obviously you could not get a jab on the NHS just for a cruise. TBH I hate to think, a simple test is upwards of £120 so a jab could be many hundreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted November 23, 2020 #68 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, MX-Drew said: TBH I hate to think, a simple test is upwards of £120 so a jab could be many hundreds. I watch ski jumping and yesterday the commentator said that the athletes are tested every 3 days at a cost of 100 Euros each. Avril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted November 23, 2020 #69 Share Posted November 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, kalos said: I also like to watch Prime Ministers Question time on Wednesday at midday . Same as you though I despair when some "Tm But Dim MP" stands up and asks Boris ... " Will the Prime minister join me in congratulating my constituents in reviving our local flag pole to it's former glory in the village where I live ?" I'm sure we have many more burning questions that need answers in the 40 minutes Boris is there in Parliament . I agree Kalos, but PMQs was supposed to enable MPs to ask the PM local questions. It is the televising of parliament that has led to these ding dong battles between party leaders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollyjess Posted November 23, 2020 Author #70 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Thank you for all of your comments. Very interesting reading! We still cannot make our minds up whether to have the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete14 Posted November 23, 2020 #71 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: I watch ski jumping and yesterday the commentator said that the athletes are tested every 3 days at a cost of 100 Euros each. Avril I heard on the radio the other day that the Pfizer one is around £25 and the Moderna one around £15. Presumably that is just for the vaccine, not the logistics involved in getting it into us. The Pfizer one seems to be on it’s own in requiring such cold storage which of course won’t be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX-Drew Posted November 23, 2020 #72 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: I watch ski jumping and yesterday the commentator said that the athletes are tested every 3 days at a cost of 100 Euros each. Avril Can you let me know where I can get a test in the UK for 100 Euros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted November 23, 2020 #73 Share Posted November 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, wowzz said: I wonder how much private inoculations will cost, as obviously you could not get a jab on the NHS just for a cruise. Pfizer have said their vaccine will not be for sale to the private market until it has met all it's current inoculation programmes with our Government . Professor Van Tam said on TV "said he believed a vaccine should be distributed according to clinical priority rather than allowing the wealthy to be able to pay privately to jump the queue." So I suspect it will be a fair while before we see them on sale in chemists etc. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted November 23, 2020 #74 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I’ll take the vaccine as soon as it’s offered but I think I’ll have to wait quite a while before my age group is involved. Over the past month, I’ve heard of more younger people contracting the virus (20-50) around here. It’s hit one former work colleague hard - mid 40s, fit, healthy, no health problems. She’s permanently tired so it’s very worrying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete14 Posted November 23, 2020 #75 Share Posted November 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, kalos said: I also like to watch Prime Ministers Question time on Wednesday at midday . Same as you though I despair when some "Tm But Dim MP" stands up and asks Boris ... " Will the Prime minister join me in congratulating my constituents in reviving our local flag pole to it's former glory in the village where I live ?" I'm sure we have many more burning questions that need answers in the 40 minutes Boris is there in Parliament . To look at it another way, at least he usually provides a direct and relevant answer to such trite questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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