zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2401 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Castle25 said: Maybe the UK have got it all wrong and the 'workers' should be done first https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/13/young-people-first-indonesias-covid-vaccine-strategy-questioned It says they have not approved that vaccine for over 60's yet. Maybe the UK have got it right. Figures suggest so,🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 14, 2021 #2402 Share Posted January 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, zap99 said: It says they have not approved that vaccine for over 60's yet. Maybe the UK have got it right. Figures suggest so,🤣 Zap surely you realise the UK govt have got everything wrong about covid so far, so presumably their vaccination policy MUST be wrong as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted January 14, 2021 #2403 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, brian1 said: That's why I didn't join the diplomatic service,bro. Wise move bro😊 Sis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted January 14, 2021 #2404 Share Posted January 14, 2021 With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted January 14, 2021 #2405 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, majortom10 said: With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus. There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted January 14, 2021 #2406 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, majortom10 said: With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus. Pretty much how I see it, I could make a case and debate it for various options, ie, giving it carers and nurses first as them spreading it are probably the biggest cause of covid deaths, especially in care homes and hospitals. I would hope that in a scenario like we have where the snow is quite heavy that any vaccine removed from storage that cannot be put back will be given to staff regardless of where their priority level is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2407 Share Posted January 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: Zap surely you realise the UK govt have got everything wrong about covid so far, so presumably their vaccination policy MUST be wrong as well. Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted January 14, 2021 #2408 Share Posted January 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, zap99 said: Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣 Is that meant to be a dig at Keir Starmer? I thought you didn’t like political comment on the forum 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batholiver Posted January 14, 2021 #2409 Share Posted January 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, zap99 said: Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣 Sorry, but aren't you the one constantly complaining when anyone dares make a post which you deem to be political? And frequently talking about going away whenever it happens, but always returning? Or is it only when posts don't suit your personal viewpoint? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2410 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Dermotsgirl said: Is that meant to be a dig at Keir Starmer? I thought you didn’t like political comment on the forum You are right. I will try and do better. As I was typing he was on the news saying how we need to start using pharmacies to ' Ramp up ' delivery of the vaccine. I'm surprised nobody thought of that went through my mind. Sorry Dermotsgirl, won't do it again🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2411 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, batholiver said: Sorry, but aren't you the one constantly complaining when anyone dares make a post which you deem to be political? And frequently talking about going away whenever it happens, but always returning? Or is it only when posts don't suit your personal viewpoint? Please see my reply and humble apologies to Dermotsgirl. I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted January 14, 2021 #2412 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, zap99 said: You are right. I will try and do better. As I was typing he was on the news saying how we need to start using pharmacies to ' Ramp up ' delivery of the vaccine. I'm surprised nobody thought of that went through my mind. Sorry Dermotsgirl, won't do it again🤣 I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2413 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, yorkshirephil said: I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon. That's right everyone new that a day,or to ago. I won't mention politicians and bandwagons.......whoops.🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batholiver Posted January 14, 2021 #2414 Share Posted January 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, wowzz said: There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS. Very much so. We're already past the 100,000 deaths figure (20,000 was going to be a 'good outcome') and several thousand more are 'baked in' over the next couple of weeks. This, despite what some people might think, is serious and it's more, I think, about stopping the total collapse of the NHS (with all that means, and not just for Covid patients) than just easing the pressure. The much maligned Professor Neil Ferguson looks to have been right all along, despite his detractors - particularly as the much-quoted figures he used were on the basis of no action being taken. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batholiver Posted January 14, 2021 #2415 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, zap99 said: Please see my reply and humble apologies to Dermotsgirl. I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔 I haven't blocked anyone. To me it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la! That's for Trump supporters avoiding facts. There doesn't seem to be any rule against political posts now anyway, and how do you separate news from politics these days - the two are inseparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1 Posted January 14, 2021 #2416 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon. Boots started this morning,it was live on GMB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted January 14, 2021 #2417 Share Posted January 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said: I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon. Superdrug in Guildford started this morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted January 14, 2021 #2418 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Only certain branches though. For instance there is no way our Boots could do it. They have to be able to do 1000 per week. We are only at 84,000 deaths so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted January 14, 2021 #2419 Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, zap99 said: I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔 Unfortunately, if someone else quotes you, you still see them🤣🤣🤣. Not that I've blocked you Zap🤪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted January 14, 2021 #2420 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, batholiver said: I haven't blocked anyone. To me it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la! That's for Trump supporters avoiding facts. There doesn't seem to be any rule against political posts now anyway, and how do you separate news from politics these days - the two are inseparable. Absolutely agree, it's a fine line. What I object too is constant criticism of everything officialism does. Often by people who repeat the same old. On another forum folk were discussing the Brazilian variant. I thought beauty salons were closed🤣 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batholiver Posted January 14, 2021 #2421 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I'm looking forward to getting vaccinated fairly soon, and I've no great concerns over its safety. What does concern me though is its effectiveness when it's not administered in accordance with the testing protocols - particularly the Pfizer vaccine, where there's absolutely no evidence for its effectiveness if the second dose isn't given within the recommended timescale. I can see the logic, but it is, in a sense, playing with fire. This was very interesting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qy0h (Inside Science) After the decision by the UK government last week to change the spacing between dosings of vaccine from the recommended 3 weeks to 12 weeks, immunologists around the world have been discussing with some urgency the wisdom of such a move. The FDA and the WHO are deeply sceptical, and the manufacturers have distanced themselves to some extent, by cautioning not to deviate from the regime tested in last year's phase III trials. The thinking behind the move is to get more people injected with a single dose in a shorter time, and that the longer wait for the second shot is worth the risk, if it means more people receive some level of protection in the short term. Clinical Epidemiologist Dr Deepthi Gurdasani and Immunoligist Prof Danny Altmann of Imperial College describe to Marnie how evidence, experience and hunch are combining in the face of the covid crisis, and quite what we know, what we don't and what we could, about this nationwide experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydee6969 Posted January 14, 2021 #2422 Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, batholiver said: Very much so. We're already past the 100,000 deaths figure (20,000 was going to be a 'good outcome') and several thousand more are 'baked in' over the next couple of weeks. Something I find strange on the BBC Covid-19 cases in your area webpage, is the actual deaths appear to be trending way below average for this time of year. Are people not dying so much from the usual winter ailments?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batholiver Posted January 14, 2021 #2423 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, jeanlyon said: Only certain branches though. For instance there is no way our Boots could do it. They have to be able to do 1000 per week. We are only at 84,000 deaths so far. The number of deaths depends very much on which measure you use to calculate them: https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/more-than-100000-deaths-linked-to-covid-recorded-in-uk-13897951/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshirephil Posted January 14, 2021 #2424 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, batholiver said: The number of deaths depends very much on which measure you use to calculate them: https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/more-than-100000-deaths-linked-to-covid-recorded-in-uk-13897951/ As Winnie said Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. People will believe whatever suits their point of view or whether they are optimists or pessimists. I usually follow the national statistics office excess deaths, but that can't tell the full story as we won't know how many would have died without covid. The one thing is that it is too many and it is not going to start going down for a few weeks at least. The media will print whatever they want and some people will believe that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted January 14, 2021 #2425 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, wowzz said: There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS. It's fortunate that the UK vaccination roll out protocol satisfies both those aims wowzz, but I agree that ensuring the NHS is able to continue functioning is probably a higher priority for the govt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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