How, When and Where will Crewmembers be Vaccinated in time for June cruises?

[LGW59]

4 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

"Immigration status" is the key there.  Cruise line crew members are not immigrating to the US.  They would be transiting through the US to board a cruise ship.  "Immigration status" in the DHS statement relates directly to those individuals who have been resident and living in the US on an undocumented basis.  I will not venture into the politics of the situation, but it is a direct response to questions that were raised about vaccinating undocumented immigrants who have been living and working in the US.  I can assure you that transiting crew through the US do not qualify.  That would be the same as any other resident of any country in the world flying into the US simply to get a vaccination and then flying out.  Not allowed.  The US has made a commitment to share vaccine doses with the rest of the world when our residents have had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated, and not until then.

I can assure you that transiting crew through the US do not qualify.  OK fair enough, please enlighten as to how you can "assure" beyond your personal thoughts.  Have Nancy, Mitch, Chuck, Rand, Lyndsey, contacted you to discuss?  If they have, please please share the assurances they gave you

[harkinmr]

15 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

I can assure you that transiting crew through the US do not qualify.  OK fair enough, please enlighten as to how you can "assure" beyond your personal thoughts.  Have Nancy, Mitch, Chuck, Rand, Lyndsey, contacted you to discuss?  If they have, please please share the assurances they gave you

Oh for heaven's sake!  Being snide does not win you any points.  What I have set out is fact.  Google what qualifies as "immigration status".  Also Google vaccine distribution in the US and who is eligible.  I am not going to do your research for you.  And I would thank you not to drag politics into this discussion.  It happens with far too much frequency on these boards of late.  

 

I can tell you that the State of Florida specifies on ALL of their government websites that vaccine doses in Florida are ONLY available to FLORIDA RESIDENTS and a Florida driver's license or state authorized ID are required to be vaccinated at any vaccination location.  If the Governor were to choose to go around his own directive and contrary to federal distribution guidelines in order to benefit a private business of any kind there would be consequences for that directive.

Edited March 28, 2021 by harkinmr

[DaCruiseBug]

7 hours ago, TeeRick said:

That is nice for you and your state.  In my state and many other states it is a real struggle to find vaccines even for the phase 1 groups. Not enough vaccine.   It is getting marginally better.  No doubt.  But why would any US state (maybe except FL) give vaccines dedicated to their US citizens away to cruise lines and foreign crew members?  That would be not a positive thing for those in the states waiting to be vaccinated.  Maybe much later in the year when there is excess vaccine and the lines have disappeared.  But not by May.

There's already several states that allow anyone over the age of 16 to register and get an appointment for a vaccine and in the next 2-3 weeks even more states will join the list. I'm in my 30s and going in next week for my vaccine.

 

So far about 1/3 of the adult population in the US has received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. About 2.5-3 million people per day are being vaccinated.

[RichYak]

1 hour ago, harkinmr said:

No one should be getting a vaccine in the US that is NOT a US citizen!

My father moved to the US when he married my mother. He served in the US military. He helped raise 3 children in the US. He died and is buried in the US. He never became a US citizen. If he was alive today, he would absolutely be getting a vaccine.

[DaCruiseBug]

10 hours ago, TeeRick said:

One concern beyond Grandma vs the casino.

 

Will the crew be fully vaccinated by vaccines approved in the US, UK, EU?  Or will the cruise lines use vaccines from Russia and China which are not (yet) approved in the western countries ?  Or some combination?  

 

The Russian vaccine (Sputnik) has been used in several western countries. Hungary and Slovakia in the EU have ordered the vaccine as well as Argentina and the Republic of San Marino (Italy).

[Goodtime Cruizin]

7 hours ago, TeeRick said:

That is nice for you and your state.  In my state and many other states it is a real struggle to find vaccines even for the phase 1 groups. Not enough vaccine.   It is getting marginally better.  No doubt.  But why would any US state (maybe except FL) give vaccines dedicated to their US citizens away to cruise lines and foreign crew members?  That would be not a positive thing for those in the states waiting to be vaccinated.  Maybe much later in the year when there is excess vaccine and the lines have disappeared.  But not by May.

 

The state of Florida has alot to gain by giving vaccines to cruiselines. And that is one state that no one would care. BTW, in Houston, Texas, if you wish to be vaccinated, you can. It's plentiful these days. Thank God too with so many crossing the border unchecked and moving to the metros.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

7 hours ago, TeeRick said:

That is nice for you and your state.  In my state and many other states it is a real struggle to find vaccines even for the phase 1 groups. Not enough vaccine.   It is getting marginally better.  No doubt.  But why would any US state (maybe except FL) give vaccines dedicated to their US citizens away to cruise lines and foreign crew members?  That would be not a positive thing for those in the states waiting to be vaccinated.  Maybe much later in the year when there is excess vaccine and the lines have disappeared.  But not by May.

 

Your state's leadership should be questioned if people are struggling to get their vaccines in today's climate. I feel for you and beleive that it is a shame. 

[LGW59]

9 minutes ago, RichYak said:

My father moved to the US when he married my mother. He served in the US military. He helped raise 3 children in the US. He died and is buried in the US. He never became a US citizen. If he was alive today, he would absolutely be getting a vaccine.

and MOST deservedly so!!!

[harkinmr]

1 minute ago, RichYak said:

My father moved to the US when he married my mother. He served in the US military. He helped raise 3 children in the US. He died and is buried in the US. He never became a US citizen. If he was alive today, he would absolutely be getting a vaccine.

Yes.  Your father lived here and worked here.   And US residents are eligible for vaccines, which includes anyone here living and working under immigrant status.  My point is/was that cruise crew, or any other non-US resident simply transiting through the country by air, would not have the benefit of temporary or permanent immigration status for purposes of vaccines.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

4 hours ago, Baron Barracuda said:

Will returning crew even enter the US if they will be sailing from Nassau, St Maarten, Bermuda, etc?  Doesn't seem right that they should be allowed to fly from Philippines to Miami, get a shot and then board another plane to the Caribbean.  Seems more likely that they will have to get a shot somewhere outside the US.

 

Of all arms, theirs are too precious to not vax. for they could potentially spread the vax everywhere. Cruisleines employess like the airline industry should be considered 'essential'. 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Goodtime Cruizin

[Host Jazzbeau]

With several one-shot vaccines available, wouldn't the cruise lines be smarter to vaccinate crew in their home countries before flying them to the ship?

[RichYak]

1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

Yes.  Your father lived here and worked here.   And US residents are eligible for vaccines, which includes anyone here living and working under immigrant status.  My point is/was that cruise crew, or any other non-US resident simply transiting through the country by air, would not have the benefit of temporary or permanent immigration status for purposes of vaccines.

I quoted your exact words in my comment. They were factually incorrect. Referring now to "residents" instead of "citizens" after the fact doesn't change that.

[LGW59]

3 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Yes.  Your father lived here and worked here.   And US residents are eligible for vaccines, which includes anyone here living and working under immigrant status.  My point is/was that cruise crew, or any other non-US resident simply transiting through the country by air, would not have the benefit of temporary or permanent immigration status for purposes of vaccines.

as much as you wish to be correct, you are wrong

[harkinmr]

5 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

The state of Florida has alot to gain by giving vaccines to cruiselines. And that is one state that no one would care. BTW, in Houston, Texas, if you wish to be vaccinated, you can. It's plentiful these days. Thank God too with so many crossing the border unchecked and moving to the metros.

I live in Florida and I would absolutely care.  There are millions of residents here who have not had the opportunity to be vaccinated and won't for some time.  Until every person living in this state that wants a vaccine gets one, doses should not be distributed to private companies like the cruise lines.  Right now, no private companies can buy doses of vaccine outside of the distribution framework.

[LGW59]

2 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I live in Florida and I would absolutely care.  There are millions of residents here who have not had the opportunity to be vaccinated and won't for some time.  Until every person living in this state that wants a vaccine gets one, doses should not be distributed to private companies like the cruise lines.  Right now, no private companies can buy doses of vaccine outside of the distribution framework.

you should please just accept, and frankly be happy, that anyone who wants the vaccine can get it, as it should be, regardless of status, it protects us all, you included.  You are very seriously misinformed on who can get the vaccine.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

14 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I live in Florida and I would absolutely care.  There are millions of residents here who have not had the opportunity to be vaccinated and won't for some time.  Until every person living in this state that wants a vaccine gets one, doses should not be distributed to private companies like the cruise lines.  Right now, no private companies can buy doses of vaccine outside of the distribution framework.

 

Well... go look at the data of vaccines in Florida. You are either trolling this thread or flat out ignorant on the real data in florida. To date,  Since before Christmas,  5.5 million people have been vaxed up. That's 3 months. Another 3 months and one can expect at a minimal double that figure, if not much much more. I just looked at the availability of vaccines in Florida and it's crazy good. If Floridians want the vax, they can get it. 

 

I'm willing to bet you that I can mock a request and receive an appointment within two weeks or less for my first vax.

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Goodtime Cruizin

[RichYak]

I don't know, the whole premise of this thread just seems really easy to me.

 

If I ran Celebrity, this is what I might do. Choose the US state where vaccine appointments are easiest to come by. Set up a company in that state. Hire crew that needs to be vaccinated by that company and provide them with temporary housing in that state. They now work and reside in that state. That's enough to satisfy any state's requirement, no? Provide them with the training they need during this time, then after they're vaccinated, send them off to work on board the ship.

[harkinmr]

Just now, LGW59 said:

you should please just accept, and frankly be happy, that anyone who wants the vaccine can get it, as it should be, regardless of status, it protects us all, you included.  You are very seriously misinformed on who can get the vaccine.

I am not misinformed and it seems all you can do is take personal shots.   What you are suggesting can happen is the various cruise lines can purchase thousands of doses of vaccine from the State of Florida for crew under the current vaccine distribution protocols.  You are misinformed in that assessment.  But again, as you said to me in so many of your responses it's just your "personal feeling" and opinion.  You are certainly entitled to it.    

[RichYak]

1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

What you are suggesting can happen is the various cruise lines can purchase thousands of doses of vaccine from the State of Florida for crew

Who suggested that?

[harkinmr]

1 minute ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well... go look at the data of vaccines in Florida. You are either trolling this thread or flat out ignorant on the real data in florida. To date,  Since before Christmas,  5.5 million people have been vaxed up. That's 3 months. Another 3 months and one can expect at a minimal double that figure, if not much much ,ore. I just looked at the availabality of vaccines in Florida and it's crazy good. If Floridians want the vax, they can get it. 

 

I'm willing to bet you that I can mock a request and receive an appointment within two weeks or less for my first vax.

 

I know what the data is for Florida.  Florida has a population of over 22 million people.  I am not "trolling" anyone and again, personal insults seem to be the order of the day here.  Is that the only way that posters can communicate.  What a miserable place!

[harkinmr]

2 minutes ago, RichYak said:

Who suggested that?

Actually, it's been suggested by numerous posters here concerning how the cruise lines can manage to vaccinate their crew.

[LGW59]

4 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I am not misinformed and it seems all you can do is take personal shots.   What you are suggesting can happen is the various cruise lines can purchase thousands of doses of vaccine from the State of Florida for crew under the current vaccine distribution protocols.  You are misinformed in that assessment.  But again, as you said to me in so many of your responses it's just your "personal feeling" and opinion.  You are certainly entitled to it.    

how is it personal shot to say that all who want the vaccine should get it?  You are misinformed, very much so, in spite of your not wanting all to be able to get the vaccine, they can.  Not personal, just fact!

[LGW59]

2 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I know what the data is for Florida.  Florida has a population of over 22 million people.  I am not "trolling" anyone and again, personal insults seem to be the order of the day here.  Is that the only way that posters can communicate.  What a miserable place!

just because a person disagrees with you, it is not a personal insult, get a grip already.  Many many vaccines coming in FL, thankfully

[Goodtime Cruizin]

1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

I know what the data is for Florida.  Florida has a population of over 22 million people.  I am not "trolling" anyone and again, personal insults seem to be the order of the day here.  Is that the only way that posters can communicate.  What a miserable place!

 

I'm not taking. personal shot at you but rather surprised that you jumped into a post w/o knowing the facts of your own state's vaxes. 25% of your state's population has been vaxed up in 3 months!  At this rate 1/2 will be vaxed in another 3 months. And the people of the sunshine fully understand and are aware of how much their state revolves around tourism. So yes, of all states, Floridians would be more accepting to make sure the people that staff the tourism industry is taken care of. 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

You want to take me up on my bet?