CDC-update May 5th

[stellarose]

I'm still ok sailing in December.  I hope things are different or we are better prepared .  just get me on a ship.

[cscurlock]

13 minutes ago, LHARTWICK said:

For those of you who believe herd immunity is here, think again.  Nowhere near it.  And won't be for a while.  I had a doctor tell me it could be years away, especially with so few being vaccinated.

I don't see why they don't just require all crew/passengers to be vaccinated and be done with it.  There seems to be plenty of cruisers who are vaccinated to fill up ships.  Oh I know - because the CDC would LOVE for the cruise lines to just go out of business so they don't have to deal with them anymore!  🤬

I think the problem is the 100% vaccinated part.  Because there is not a centralized database on vaccinated people yet. If the validation is checking that paper card you get once you get the 2nd shot then a lot of people will photoshop that stuff or buy them from ebay customized.  Maybe that's why they still have all these excessive rules.  

[txgranny]

1 hour ago, logan25 said:

Just a thought.  IF buffets are eliminated, MDR-type service will again be open on port days.  That seems like a plus.

Buffets won't be eliminated it won't be self serve the staff will serve you, they did this on my vista March 2020 cruise

[stoddaj1]

36 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

I disagree as well. Nothing the CDC has done has stopped or remotely reduced the spread of covid. The whole thing of no mask, one mask, not that mask, that mask is now ok, you need two masks, you must social distance, close schools, don't close schools, close restaurants, restaurants can be open until 10PM. All of it is a joke. Then the scientific, repeatable, and provable fact on social distancing from MIT that proves the CDC wrong has never been addressed by them.

 

Remember, Senators and higher do not follow what the CDC says openly discarding it and ignoring it.

 If the "powers that be"  listened to the science in the first place and not listened to people without any understanding or idea about what needed to be done, (ie drinking bleach, not wearing a mask etc.) so many illnesses and deaths would have been prevented. Senators and higher not following CDC orders are doing it for their own political gain.  Do you think covid would have been downplayed if it were not an election year?  Nope, not like that.  It should not have been about politics it should have been about health.  

 

Am I tired of covid?  Absolutely!!! But am I doing what has been asked of me to help keep myself safe AND others safe?  Absolutely!!  This is something which far too many people are not understanding.  The "It's all about me" mentality is detrimental to society in many ways, not just covid related.  

 

I wear an N95 mask all day everyday at work to protect severely immunocompromised individuals in my life.  A 3 layer cloth or disposable mask is much easier to wear.  Just wear the darn masks, social distance, get a vaccine and go about daily business.  Life is SO much more important than that.  The sooner people "suck it up buttercup" the earlier we will gain a semblance of normalcy again.

Edited May 6, 2021 by stoddaj1
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[d12j28]

4 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

The analogy I can think of is that is it like a rainy session at the race track during practice/qualifying, and all the teams are hanging out in their garages/pitlanes, instead of running cars because they are afraid of crashing in the wet.

 

If the first team to go out there crashes it is just going to make it even more cautious for everyone else.

 

So no-one wants to be the first cruise (yay!) but then have problems (boo!).  It would be instant fodder for the petri-dish naysayers.

 

 

But the rain will stop before they go out of business......LOL!

 

Honestly, there is no reason not to have a ship sailing. Start with all vaccinated (crew and guests) if need be but lift all the stupid restrictions while on the ship if everyone is vaccinated and follow local policies (mask or whatever, up to each port of call) for individual ports. Of course then comes the problem of proving someone is really vaccinated or not. 

 

 

[embarkation75]

What I've learned about CC posters on this Carnival Cruise board in the last month...

 

1: Most but not all long for cruising again

 

2: Those falling outside of the previous group are either hacked off at the cruiselines for holding their money or are deathly afraid to leave their house again

 

3: Close to 25% will cruise no matter what the restrictions and have little problem cruising with unvaccinated as long as they are adequately tested

 

4: Nearly 15% want vaccinated only cruising but believe there should be no restrictions 

 

5: Another 15% say everyone is vaccinated or they're not cruising

 

6: 20% want ZERO restrictions on resumption of cruising and generally feel cruising should have never stopped as they frequently quote stats to say covid is a hoax.

 

7: Most of the previous folks also admit to having essentially covid parties in the last year and somehow believe mask wearing is against their faith (from the good book of non-maskism)

 

8: 15% want the CDC punished for overreach by creating laws/lawsuits that overreach the other direction yet claim it's different!?!?

 

9: 5% think Bill Gates is implanting microchips in vaccines and are generally angry that they can't wonder off the ship at Cozumel and get sloppy drunk right now

 

10: 5% don't know this is a cruise board but just love to scream about politics and hatred for socialism

[cruisingguy007]

1 minute ago, stoddaj1 said:

 If the "powers that be"  listened to the science in the first place and not listened to people without any understanding or idea about what needed to be done, (ie drinking bleach, not wearing a mask etc.) so many illnesses and deaths would have been prevented. Senators and higher not following CDC orders are doing it for their own political gain.  Do you think covid would have been downplayed if it were not an election year?  Nope, not like that.  It should not have been about politics it should have been about health.  

 

Am I tired of covid?  Absolutely!!! But am I doing what has been asked of me to help keep myself safe AND others safe?  Absolutely!!  This is something which far too many people are not understanding.  The "It's all about me" mentality is detrimental to society in many ways, not just covid related.  

 

I wear an N95 mask all day everyday at work to protect severely immunocompromised individuals in my life.  A 3 layer cloth or disposable mask is much easier to wear.  Just wear the darn masks, social distance, get a vaccine and go about daily business.  Life is SO much more important that.  The sooner people "suck it up buttercup" the earlier we will gain a semblance of normalcy again.

 

While some of that may be true, particularly our laggy response early on. That is behind us now and playing politics isn't a one party idea. While it's great to to believe that your side is above the fray, at a certain point you must ask yourself if blind obedience from your side is just as toxic and unnecessary as it is from the other. There was a goal with all these restrictions and capitulation. It seems the goal posts keep being moved. Why is that? Who does it serve and to what end? When does it end? What numbers are we OK with and that represent similar previous risk we all lived with and carried on with? The scary part is some haven't even thought of these questions and parameters and are just waiting to be told when they will be "allowed" to resume life again, almost as if has been forgotten that what was granted could be rescinded/ignored just as easily as compliance was granted. People have always held the power to decide. Some have forgotten that.            

[Don Kehote]

I am just here to state that there is nothing inherently wrong with a Petri dish, and the analogy that haters like to use is super duper dumb.  A Petri dish is sterile until the agar plate is inoculated.

 

So yeah, maybe a cruise ship IS a floating Petri dish.  That's cool.  It's the culture that's the problem.

[kleibo]

23 minutes ago, stoddaj1 said:

 If the "powers that be"  listened to the science in the first place and not listened to people without any understanding or idea about what needed to be done, (ie drinking bleach, not wearing a mask etc.) so many illnesses and deaths would have been prevented. Senators and higher not following CDC orders are doing it for their own political gain.  Do you think covid would have been downplayed if it were not an election year?  Nope, not like that.  It should not have been about politics it should have been about health.  

 

Am I tired of covid?  Absolutely!!! But am I doing what has been asked of me to help keep myself safe AND others safe?  Absolutely!!  This is something which far too many people are not understanding.  The "It's all about me" mentality is detrimental to society in many ways, not just covid related.  

 

I wear an N95 mask all day everyday at work to protect severely immunocompromised individuals in my life.  A 3 layer cloth or disposable mask is much easier to wear.  Just wear the darn masks, social distance, get a vaccine and go about daily business.  Life is SO much more important than that.  The sooner people "suck it up buttercup" the earlier we will gain a semblance of normalcy again.

 

I don't believe my wanting fair regulations to be "all about me".  The rules are vastly different and excessively stringent for cruise ships more than any other vacation industry.  

 

And this is a virus that already has what 5-10 variants.  It's not going away.  

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, iheartmarshall said:

 

I totally understand that, and we have opted for more remote land vacations in lieu of cruising for the time being.  Our next cruise isn't even until Thanksgiving 2022.  

 

But what gets me is everyone complaining about how much they hate these guidelines when in reality, there's nothing they or Carnival can do about them.  People complained that they weren't allowed to sail and now that the restart is in sight, they're complaining about the restrictions.  The restrictions might seem excessive but they're necessary and shouldn't be of any surprise.  We're still in a pandemic. 

 

Everyone has their own opinion.  IMO, these restrictions are beyond excessive.  Shows how much confidence there is in this 'experimental shot' they had us take (or not).

Edited May 6, 2021 by bucfan2

[CoffeeGoddess]

3 hours ago, kdr69 said:

you mean like "this coffee is hot and may cause burns" statements?  There are reasons (aka people) for these kind of statements.....just sayin.....

 

So, anytime I see this I bring up the case for this. The women who was burned was not driving but sitting in the passenger seat of a parked car. The coffee was so hot that it actually fused her labia together. She originally only asked for her medical bills to be covered but McDonalds wouldn't even do that. That's why the lawsuit was brought and the corporation tried to discredit her so hard that people still think that what they said about the incident is true and this was a frivolous lawsuit. More information on this:

Adam Ruins Everything

Wikipedia on the incident

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, harkinmr said:

Where are you going to take your money?  All of the cruise lines will be abiding by the same protocols.  In fact, cruise lines currently sailing already are. 

 

Simple, and should be obvious....elsewhere.

Edited May 6, 2021 by bucfan2

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, harkinmr said:

I don't think the CDC is going to be taking a poll concerning what anyone on CC thinks.  Nor are the cruise lines.  It is what it is for the time being no matter what anyone's opinion is.  

 

Easy when it aligns w/ your views.  Not everyone has your opinion.

[BlerkOne]

I can't help but think we could be cruising today if people had listened to science and followed a few simple directions. That opportunity was missed. We could be cruising tomorrow if more people had gotten vaccinated sooner and not been so antivax. Another opportunity missed. More and more variants are appearing and we were warned about that. There should be no surprise. Now it appears the US will never reach heard immunity. Get used to masks forever. And to think what could have been. and now back to the denying and deflection.

[harkinmr]

4 minutes ago, bucfan2 said:

 

Easy when it aligns w/ your views.  Not everyone has your opinion.

Wasn't expressing my opinion.  Truth is neither the CDC nor the cruise lines care what our opinions are as cruisers.  We either abide by the guidance or we don't cruise.  

[BoozinCroozin]

2 minutes ago, embarkation75 said:

Major #6 CC poster type 😀

No, never said covid was a hoax. If you think that so be it. I know it is real. I know it has been blown out of proportion for an agenda. I have had covid. My seasonal allergies were 100x worse than covid. 

 

If you believe in the science, show what proof the powers that be have to back that science. Some of the best researchers in the industry have proven that science wrong on every turn. I will trust MIT's complete research on social distance far over no science from the CDC. I will even use the CDC's mask mandates against them. The flip-flopped 6-10x on masks. If it was backed by science, they would not have had to change their stance on masks at all. 

[tkportersat]

22 minutes ago, d12j28 said:

Tell me about it. If China had just contained it we wouldn't have had to be dealing with this for over a year now!

Yep, they should be charged with Terrorism...

[cruisingguy007]

8 minutes ago, embarkation75 said:

Sadly true. Although I do see eventual resumption of cruises later this summer, nobody should be fooled into thinking this means everything with cruises will just be back to normal shortly afterwards. Whether we like it or not the action of some over the last year will create restrictions on cruising that persist for months if not years. People will complain, claim lawsuits are the answer,  state socialism is taking over world, etc.. but it won't change anything as much of that was decided the day they had a group event in 2020 that a week or two later resulted in somebody seriously ill or in the hospital.

 

The whole argument has turned ridiculous. If people want to gamble on their odds and get sick then that is up to them. The vaccines are a prophylactic, protect yourself if you want and lets get back to normal. Once all kids can get vaccines then everyone has an equitable opportunity to protect themselves. Life should resume as normal after that and the chips land where they may. All of these restrictions were put in place to not overwhelm hospitals (remember) and were supposed to be temporary in nature. Hospitals aren't overwhelmed, vaccines are abundant, and will be coming to older kids shortly (should be coming for all kids really). The old/sick have been protected and death rates/hospitalizations plummeting. Odds of death are as low as they have ever been for covid. A this point it's like saying the government should suspend sexual activity for everyone else because some guys don't want to wear condoms. Doesn't make any sense.   

[SwordBlazer Cruising]

16 minutes ago, embarkation75 said:

Sadly true. Although I do see eventual resumption of cruises later this summer, nobody should be fooled into thinking this means everything with cruises will just be back to normal shortly afterwards. Whether we like it or not the action of some over the last year will create restrictions on cruising that persist for months if not years. People will complain, claim lawsuits are the answer,  state socialism is taking over world, etc.. but it won't change anything as much of that was decided the day they had a group event in 2020 that a week or two later resulted in somebody seriously ill or in the hospital.

I think to the general public is the blatant inconsistency in the CDC guidelines. 
 

on land 3 feet apart - on a ship 6 feet

on land no masks outdoors - on a ship yes

on a plane inches apart - on a ship must be 6 feet apart

in a Reasturant on land mask off to eat-- yesterday the CDC guidance was mask off, bite, mask back on.

 

Forget aboutthe science, unless you are one, we all get our news from TV, or social media, I am an offender of that myself. There is way to much inconsistency in all of this and the public has had enough. 

[tkportersat]

2 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

No, never said covid was a hoax. If you think that so be it. I know it is real. I know it has been blown out of proportion for an agenda. I have had covid. My seasonal allergies were 100x worse than covid. 

 

If you believe in the science, show what proof the powers that be have to back that science. Some of the best researchers in the industry have proven that science wrong on every turn. I will trust MIT's complete research on social distance far over no science from the CDC. I will even use the CDC's mask mandates against them. The flip-flopped 6-10x on masks. If it was backed by science, they would not have had to change their stance on masks at all. 

We have all had Covid at our house as well.  Definitely had flu virus and allergies worse than Covid.  

[bucfan2]

3 minutes ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

There is way to much inconsistency in all of this and the public has had enough. 

 

I also believe we have come to that point as well.  The next 'variant'/stay-scared card has been overplayed.

[embarkation75]

5 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

No, never said covid was a hoax. If you think that so be it. I know it is real. I know it has been blown out of proportion for an agenda. I have had covid. My seasonal allergies were 100x worse than covid. 

 

If you believe in the science, show what proof the powers that be have to back that science. Some of the best researchers in the industry have proven that science wrong on every turn. I will trust MIT's complete research on social distance far over no science from the CDC. I will even use the CDC's mask mandates against them. The flip-flopped 6-10x on masks. If it was backed by science, they would not have had to change their stance on masks at all. 

Everybody fits somewhere in the spectrum of CC posters as you proudly fit into a #6 CC poster type. We are, who we are whether we see it or not.

[ChutChut]

6 minutes ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

I think to the general public is the blatant inconsistency in the CDC guidelines. 
 

on land 3 feet apart - on a ship 6 feet

on land no masks outdoors - on a ship yes

on a plane inches apart - on a ship must be 6 feet apart

in a Reasturant on land mask off to eat-- yesterday the CDC guidance was mask off, bite, mask back on.

 

Forget aboutthe science, unless you are one, we all get our news from TV, or social media, I am an offender of that myself. There is way to much inconsistency in all of this and the public has had enough. 

Moreover, it's legally questionable whether the CDC has the authority (whether it be statutory, etc.) to exert this type of control over the cruise industry. Even if it does, it appears its actions, at times, have been arbitrary and capricious (see airline vs. cruise "regs").

[embarkation75]

2 minutes ago, bucfan2 said:

 

I also believe we have come to that point as well.  The next 'variant'/stay-scared card has been overplayed.

The #6 group is representing this afternoon! 🤣

[tkportersat]

29 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Hmmm.  Then why weren't they sailing last year?  There were plenty of politicians in their pockets that were in control in 2020.  Nothing happened.  The one time politicians did stick their noses in we ended up with the Conditional Sail Order, which made things worse.

Well, you know what happened....is this a joke?

Edited May 6, 2021 by tkportersat