Lets get back to cruising from Florida!

[CPT Trips]

Maybe this.

The ship gets out of Florida waters. Passengers asked to display their vax cards and then issued new ship’s cards with the appropriate information for cruise line to adhere to safety practices. Once the number/percentage of non vaxxed passengers is reached, the overflow is escorted to quarantine.

[Montanagirlalways]

Florida requires certain vaccines to be administered before children may enroll and attend childcare and school.

If schools can require certain vaccinations then cruise ships should be allowed to. 

[BecciBoo]

And I have no problem wearing anything that proclaims my vax status, I think it's a bit of levity sorta like my Life is Good shirt that has a martini and says Quarantini.  I'm taking that one along.  But to each his/her own if they want total anonymity. 

[BecciBoo]

5 minutes ago, Montanagirlalways said:

Florida requires certain vaccines to be administered before children may enroll and attend childcare and school.

If schools can require certain vaccinations then cruise ships should be allowed to. 

 

Absolutely, we've discussed that as well.  I still think the conflict between the Governor and vax requirements will be solved ASAP.  My thinking is that he only did that to apply pressure to CDC and he will soon rescind it just like the CDC has rescinded scads of times.  When the battle is won, you pull back and relax...no?  Then he will be out of the picture and the lines can mandate their own vaccination requirements.  If people do not like those mandates, they can go camping.

[John&LaLa]

12 hours ago, jrapps said:

I think it's the "painfully obvious" part of the OP idea that is troublesome. That is basically inviting others to persecute them based on their choice.

 

I have no issue with people on a cruise being entitled to different levels of service, as long as those were made clear prior to the cruise and they CHOOSE to sail knowing those limitations. Now here is where we get into that grey area with the new FL law, but putting that aside for the moment, you get into discrimination when people are treated differently but are not choosing to be treated differently.

 

If you say everyone can come on the cruise, but only those vaccinated are allowed to go ashore at stops, or to to mask-free shows on the ship, then you are making that clear upfront, people choose to go or not based on these rules, and they can be easily enforced based on your room key. The OP "idea" is make the experience so miserable for the non-vaccinated that most if not all would CHOOSE not to go, essentially making it a 100% vaccinated cruise without REQUIRING it, thus getting around the FL law. I don't necessarily have an issue with this idea. The problem comes with the glow in the dark mandatory brandished wristband that screams "I'm not vaccinated!!!!". That is where you have the potential to get into discriminatory social issues.

 

I like the key card being tagged idea

[grandgeezer]

44 minutes ago, CPT Trips said:

Maybe this.

The ship gets out of Florida waters. Passengers asked to display their vax cards and then issued new ship’s cards with the appropriate information for cruise line to adhere to safety practices. Once the number/percentage of non vaxxed passengers is reached, the overflow is escorted to quarantine.

Who is going to do the checking and reissuing new card to the 3,000 passengers, in a timely manner, on the bigger ships? Also you won't be sailing at full capacity as you have to allow cabins for the people quarantined. How many cabins do you set aside as that number would vary from ship to ship, cruise to cruise. Once you get them segregated, how do you feed them and make sure they don't mingle with the vaxxed passengers? Other than that, a great idea.

[harkinmr]

1 hour ago, broberts said:

Would it violate FL law if cruise lines simply stated that passengers must be vaccinated to board and ask them to sign a declaration to that effect?

 

If not it seems to me this should be sufficient. Especially if all passengers are warned of legal liability for making a false declaration.

Probably. But more to the point why would any cruise line rely on passenger declaration only?  That’s a sure fire way to trouble.  And they need to file a certification with the CDC so I doubt they wouldn’t require some form of proof. 

[jonbgd]

12 hours ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

Royal Caribbean just might be sailing out of CA before they sail out of FL and that would work for me.

 

 

wouldnt that chap Fl's hide😁

[TMLAalum]

1 hour ago, harkinmr said:

Probably. But more to the point why would any cruise line rely on passenger declaration only?  That’s a sure fire way to trouble.  And they need to file a certification with the CDC so I doubt they wouldn’t require some form of proof. 

 

Already cruise lines accept the passenger health declaration whether or not the passenger answers honestly. Even proof of being vaccinated can be forged so there will be risk for the cruise lines regardless.

 

A temperature check might be a partial solution to reduce the risk of a covid+ person, or anyone with a fever regardless of cause, from boarding.

 

Before I can enter my hair salon, I must submit a disclaimer via text regarding symptoms, exposure, etc. to covid, then wait to have my temperature taken outside the salon before I'm admitted. I'd be fine doing this before boarding a ship; however, I suspect that even this procedure is against DeSantis' executive order.

 

 

[Big_G]

3 hours ago, CruisingHogFan said:

 

Why does most of the Republican Party think it’s so important to enforce proof of ID to vote but think vaccine proof shouldn’t be allowed?? Kinda ironic.... 

 

You can flip that irony right around.

[livingonthebeach]

20 minutes ago, TMLAalum said:

Already cruise lines accept the passenger health declaration whether or not the passenger answers honestly. Even proof of being vaccinated can be forged so there will be risk for the cruise lines regardless.

 

A temperature check might be a partial solution to reduce the risk of a covid+ person, or anyone with a fever regardless of cause, from boarding.

 

Before I can enter my hair salon, I must submit a disclaimer via text regarding symptoms, exposure, etc. to covid, then wait to have my temperature taken outside the salon before I'm admitted. I'd be fine doing this before boarding a ship; however, I suspect that even this procedure is against DeSantis' executive order.

 

Some doctor's offices and businesses here in South Florida require temperature checks and disclaimers so I imagine cruise lines would be allowed to as well.  

 

I agree with you that if someone wants to forge a CDC card they probably will succeed -- nothing is 100% foolproof. 

 

I would be just as content with an honor system as I don't think many people would lie, cheat and forge their way on a cruise ship. If they do, they will be the ones to suffer the consequences, not me, as I am fully vaccinated and won't be rubbing elbows with them.  

[harkinmr]

49 minutes ago, TMLAalum said:

 

Already cruise lines accept the passenger health declaration whether or not the passenger answers honestly. Even proof of being vaccinated can be forged so there will be risk for the cruise lines regardless.

 

A temperature check might be a partial solution to reduce the risk of a covid+ person, or anyone with a fever regardless of cause, from boarding.

 

Before I can enter my hair salon, I must submit a disclaimer via text regarding symptoms, exposure, etc. to covid, then wait to have my temperature taken outside the salon before I'm admitted. I'd be fine doing this before boarding a ship; however, I suspect that even this procedure is against DeSantis' executive order.

 

 

Temperature checks have proven to be rather useless, which is why so many places are not doing them any longer.  I imagine the cruise lines may still plus there will be an antigen test to board, but those too have a high false negative rate.  I still believe that in order to comply with the CSO and to provide adequate assurances to their guests, the lines will need to document vaccine status.

Edited May 15, 2021 by harkinmr

[lazydayz]

19 hours ago, jrapps said:

While this is an interesting idea of a way to get around the FL law, it is likely a non starter. Too difficult to enforce, and do we really want to be in a situation where an entire subset of the population is forced wears something to identify themselves? Images of *** Germany come to mind. If there is no law against that you can be sure one will appear long before this sailing could ever happen.

 

As much as I want to sail on a mostly vaccinated cruise, this isn't going to be the way to do it.

 

They are either going to defy the FL law and require vaccinations, or do test sailings and no vaccines required at all. I just don't see a middle ground.

Thanks for the response.  I think the new law violates the Commerce Clause and the cruise ships would win on that.  

[lazydayz]

19 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

This is a perfect example of the discrimination that the law is trying to prevent.

kind of funny the unintended consequences a new law can have. 

[lazydayz]

19 hours ago, flamingos said:

The governor isn't helping:  Calling Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings “not one of the bigger ones,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday that if smaller cruise lines want to leave the state because of bans on vaccine requirements, their void will be filled.

 

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/florida-will-fill-void-if-small-cruise-lines-leave-desantis/2450536/?fbclid=IwAR2mt-jacMEyaSvZg3YHL6_Cse7Ry7fbVmt_d2XLuFXV7Xm2ydQOjyai8e0

Agreed.  Since Norwegian is the third largest Cruiseline in the world, I think that makes it one of the bigger ones. 

[lazydayz]

18 hours ago, harkinmr said:

Actually, the Florida Governor’s Executive Order and the law to take effect July 1 precludes requiring proof of vaccine or requesting evidence of the same.  

Well I read the law before posting,  it says nothing about requesting only prohibits requiring.  

[lazydayz]

15 hours ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

Royal Caribbean just might be sailing out of CA before they sail out of FL and that would work for me.

 

 

and that is what worries me.  The cruise lines could  just say ok Florida, pass a stupid law and we will go elsewhere.  But the economics of cruising don’t make that likely. And since every cruise carries passengers or goods  from other states, Florida is in effect trying to regulate interstate commerce, which only the feds can do.  

[lazydayz]

10 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

LOL — let’s make it a status symbol instead of a scarlet..uhm lime green letter — sort of like a Pinn pin.  If they give the lime green light, I’ll crowdfund the initiative.  I’ve even developed some prototypes.

 

Love it!  I was a little concerned about the Scarlet Letter wrinkle.

[lazydayz]

9 hours ago, SUSIEK said:

How about classifying the ship.  There’s plenty of ships.   Like Carnival did.  The Paradise was, at one time, all no smoking.  It is now btw. 
They didn’t do this on ALL their ships. Just one.  
No reason why a cruise line couldn’t have a ship that requires passengers be vaccinated.  Have other ships not require. 🤔 

 

 

Well, there is a reason they can’t sail from Florida.  I believe the first US cruises will be  fully vaccinated (give it or take 5 to 10 percent) but the new Florida law is trying to block that.  

[lazydayz]

9 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

It is your Governor trying to legislate something he has zero business doing. It is only hurting Florida residents that are out of work because of it. It is not limited to cruise ship workers, it is everyone that supports the industry. 

Totally agree.  

[lazydayz]

8 hours ago, harkinmr said:

It is Florida law. The EO has been incorporated into legislation signed by the Governor. It will take effect July 1st.  But even that can be challenged and likely will.  Too bad it would require that by the cruise lines.  

Correct.  It can be challenged but how long will that take?  Courts aren’t known to act very quickly, even in the best of times.  

[lazydayz]

7 hours ago, jules815 said:

Sorry for the double post. 

Edited May 15, 2021 by lazydayz
Dp

[lazydayz]

7 hours ago, jules815 said:

Common practice here in Illinois in college towns downstate. In the Chicago area, you can't enter a bar until you're 21. Down in Carbondale, home of Southern Illinois University, you can get into a bar with a different color wristband at 19.

Exactly.  And the 19 year olds are not complaining it’s discrimination.  Most are just glad to be there.  

[lazydayz]

8 hours ago, RedIguana said:

They actually do this in Florida in nightclubs that allow 18-21 years olds in. They were a different color wristband that brands them as under 21 and unable to drink.

agreed.  

[lazydayz]

7 hours ago, ricka47 said:

 

Right - I think that he will have to find a way to make this work while saving face somehow.  I just hope that they can come to an agreement soon so that the cruise lines can get going.

 

I have to think that there are talks going on right now with with Disney (who bring a few bucks into Florida) and the other big players to find a way to make this work. There is too much at stake.

agree that something needs to be done to fix this, but since this is a law, the governor can’t just do an agreement and make it go away.  Either the courts or the legislature have to act.  Since the legislature is Republican controlled, DeSantis is able to get most anything he wants passed but the legislative session is over for this year.  Unless the Florida legislature comes back in special session to address this, we will likely have to wait for the courts to act.