Carnival Vista from today's USA Today

[Babr]

3 minutes ago, illinoisfive said:

The Points Guy has an article that I just read online that paints the picture to be that the 27 Covid infected people are ALL on the ship currently and makes it sound like Carnival Cruise Line has been and is irresponsible in its actions.  Crazy as it has been said in this thread that it is a combination of 2 cruises that comprised that number of infections.

I believe all 27 are on the ship now according to reports I’ve seen, and, yes, some were carried over from the previous cruise.

 

I can’t say Carnival was irresponsible because I don’t have any information about the details of how it is being handled. Apparently the officials in Belize were satisfied that things are being done appropriately.

 

It will be interesting to see if any of the crew are disembarked tomorrow for quarantine and how the passenger is handled as well. We may not know unless they make a public announcement.

[Stick93]

6 hours ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

I can assure you, with 100% certainty that every cruiseline is following what the CDC has dictated. This type of post is BS and to be frank, it is your fellow guests who are the ones who don't help themselves. Fake vaccine cards, fake testing results, etc. If you think for one second the cruiselines will do something to jeopardize their sailing status you are ill informed. Also, maybe just maybe the CDC has someone sailing onboard the ships as well. Bravo is in order for Carnival and the cruise industry. 

Hahaha fake vaccine card - I am sure this is a massive problem. Get caught and be prosecuted federally - maybe one or two sickos at most . A ship full of them to hurt Carnival?? 

[BlerkOne]

11 minutes ago, illinoisfive said:

The Points Guy has an article that I just read online that paints the picture to be that the 27 Covid infected people are ALL on the ship currently and makes it sound like Carnival Cruise Line has been and is irresponsible in its actions.  Crazy as it has been said in this thread that it is a combination of 2 cruises that comprised that number of infections.

What do you expect Carnival to do with non-US citizen crew members, mildly infected? They are in quarantine on the ship in the designated area where meals can be delivered to them and medical staff can look after them. They are isolated and beyond physically distanced from anybody else. There is no threat to anyone, it is VERY responsible and CDC compliant. If there were any serious cases, they would have been transferred to an appropriate medical facility on land.

 

Per the ambulance chaser, the majority of cases were discovered on Saturday - the turnaround day for the ship.

[JohnMI]

1 hour ago, ray98 said:

 

Handwashing stations have little to do with preventing COVID.

The CDC still disagrees with you:

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/why-handwashing.html/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html

 

As do others: https://www.popsci.com/science/hand-washing-prevents-covid-delta/

 

Yes, I know that the main vector is not contact like this -- but this is a situation where you go from touching something that literally hundreds of people have touched recently -- and then almost immediately probably putting your hands in/near your mouth repeatedly.  It is not your "Covid doesn't spread much via contact" situation.  And the science supports this.  So, yes, handwashing DOES have an impact in preventing COVID transmission in this situation.

 

Secondary to that, cruises have had many issues in the past with other transmissible things such as Norovirus.  Therefore, as I said in my original post, I think this is a good idea IN GENERAL and not just because of Covid.

 

On a side note, on the Magic today, the two handwashing stations I tried were both out of soap.  So, yeah, great job there...

Edited August 13, 2021 by JohnMI

[BlerkOne]

5 minutes ago, Babr said:

It will be interesting to see if any of the crew are disembarked tomorrow for quarantine and how the passenger is handled as well. We may not know unless they make a public announcement.

There is no reason for the ill crew to quarantine anywhere except on the ship, unless they are seriously ill. The majority of the crew should be over, or close to over, the virus, anyway. There were very few cases found this week.

 

But you know ambulance chasers and TV crews will be mobbing the scene looking for the one (1) passenger who tested positive.

[Babr]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

There is no reason for the ill crew to quarantine anywhere except on the ship, unless they are seriously ill. The majority of the crew should be over, or close to over, the virus, anyway. There were very few cases found this week.

 

But you know ambulance chasers and TV crews will be mobbing the scene looking for the one (1) passenger who tested positive.

Quarantine on the ship sounds like a more effective way to handle it. I was just wondering if the number of people needing it is a problem. I expect they have a trained team to interact with them, and contact is limited.

 

The reporters did not have much interest in positive passengers last week, but maybe this one is a bigger story.

[illinoisfive]

Just now, BlerkOne said:

What do you expect Carnival to do with non-US citizen crew members, mildly infected? They are in quarantine on the ship in the designated area where meals can be delivered to them and medical staff can look after them. They are isolated and beyond physically distanced from anybody else. There is no threat to anyone, it is VERY responsible and CDC compliant. If there were any serious cases, they would have been transferred to an appropriate medical facility on land.

 

Per the ambulance chaser, the majority of cases were discovered on Saturday - the turnaround day for the ship.

I am not saying Carnival is to blame.  My point was that The Points Guy is painting Carnival in a bad light. Does he have a grudge against them?  IDK.   And I agree with what you have been saying about Carnival being CDC compliant and trying their best to be acting responsibly.

[tm_aw_love]

6 hours ago, SwordBlazer Cruising said:

Fake vaccine cards, fake testing results, etc.

Hawaii caught and arrested 2 tourists for using fake vax cards... Possible 5K fine plus 1 year in jail.

 

If the cruise lines had a reliable way to check them and 'make examples' of some of the people, that may be a deterrent. I personally have been wondering for a while if there is any follow-up or validating vax status of those that test positive onboard. If there is no risk and only a reward of getting to cruise, there is no deterrent. 

 

 

Link to the Hawaii story:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/08/12/2-mainland-travelers-arrested-honolulu-fake-vaccine-cards-ag-says/

[EngIceDave]

Do not assume they are ill.

If they are vaccinated, they likely are positive, but NOT sick.

 

So why take them off? Quarantine them to their cabins or an isolated area of the crew area.

 

Some of you folks just seem to like making mountains of mole hills

Edited August 13, 2021 by EngIceDave

[larrywizzit]

I'm sorry if this has already been pointed out, but I haven't the time to read through the entire thread.

 

I note that the story says 26 of the 27 are crew members. I can't help but think that the crowded conditions below deck might be partly responsible for this outbreak.

 

I feel that full protocols including social distancing should be applied throughout all cruise lines. Will this leave less room for passengers and hence higher prices? Yes, absolutely.

 

But as Covid is now endemic with doubtless future waves to come, everyone has to play a part in reducing the magnitude of said outbreaks and thusly the potential for more dangerous variants.

[ScottsSweetie]

9 minutes ago, larrywizzit said:

. . . I feel that full protocols including social distancing should be applied throughout all cruise lines. Will this leave less room for passengers and hence higher prices? Yes, absolutely.

 

But as Covid is now endemic with doubtless future waves to come, everyone has to play a part in reducing the magnitude of said outbreaks and thusly the potential for more dangerous variants.

Considering the rock bottom prices being offered to casino players combined with the cheap offers for VIFP (we can cruise any week in September for less than $500/ 7 day trip), I'm not sure a higher price point will be considered. I just looked at Thanksgiving week prices out of Galveston and I can't believe how inexpensive they are.

Edited August 13, 2021 by ScottsSweetie

[bucfan2]

4 minutes ago, ScottsSweetie said:

Considering the rock bottom prices being offered to casino players combined with the cheap offers for VIFP (we can cruise any week in September for less than $500/ 7 day trip), I'm not sure a higher price point will be considered. I just looked at Thanksgiving week prices out of Galveston and I can't believe how inexpensive they are.

Prices are extremely reasonable, including over the holidays.  IMO, as long as masks are req'd,  a small % of the general public will go on a cruise....once.  The 'next cruise' desk will be a great place to social distance.

Edited August 13, 2021 by bucfan2

[BlerkOne]

59 minutes ago, larrywizzit said:

 

I note that the story says 26 of the 27 are crew members. I can't help but think that the crowded conditions below deck might be partly responsible for this outbreak.

 

10 are allegedly casino employees. I think it has more to do with they don't have to mask behind closed doors. Carnival already routinely tests all crew which is one way to keep everything under control.

[SNJCruisers]

53 minutes ago, bucfan2 said:

 The 'next cruise' desk will be a great place to social distance.

Kind of difficult.  They are non existent on Carnival.

[BlerkOne]

59 minutes ago, ScottsSweetie said:

Considering the rock bottom prices being offered to casino players combined with the cheap offers for VIFP (we can cruise any week in September for less than $500/ 7 day trip), I'm not sure a higher price point will be considered. I just looked at Thanksgiving week prices out of Galveston and I can't believe how inexpensive they are.

Prices might be cheap for inside cabins, which aren't very popular right now. Balconies seem higher than normal to me. Or maybe that is the new normal.

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, SNJCruisers said:

Kind of difficult.  They are non existent on Carnival.

But it does help identify which posters haven't cruised on Carnival in the past few years.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, tm_aw_love said:

Hawaii caught and arrested 2 tourists for using fake vax cards... Possible 5K fine plus 1 year in jail.

 

If the cruise lines had a reliable way to check them and 'make examples' of some of the people, that may be a deterrent. I personally have been wondering for a while if there is any follow-up or validating vax status of those that test positive onboard. If there is no risk and only a reward of getting to cruise, there is no deterrent. 

 

 

Link to the Hawaii story:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/08/12/2-mainland-travelers-arrested-honolulu-fake-vaccine-cards-ag-says/

I believe Canada made an example out of a couple.

[firefly333]

50 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

10 are allegedly casino employees. I think it has more to do with they don't have to mask behind closed doors. Carnival already routinely tests all crew which is one way to keep everything under control.

On older threads some blamed smokers being allowed to smoke in casino. Wear a mask in close quarters. Smoke outside.,idk

 

Can blame anything  .. we dont know

[BlerkOne]

17 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

On older threads some blamed smokers being allowed to smoke in casino. Wear a mask in close quarters. Smoke outside.,idk

 

Can blame anything  .. we dont know

I'm pretty sure smoking doesn't cause covid, and masking helps prevent the spread. Which is why Carnival is tightening mask rules and hasn't banned smoking.

[cmichael1221]

4 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

There is no reason for the ill crew to quarantine anywhere except on the ship, unless they are seriously ill. The majority of the crew should be over, or close to over, the virus, anyway. There were very few cases found this week.

 

But you know ambulance chasers and TV crews will be mobbing the scene looking for the one (1) passenger who tested positive.

Why bash TV crews?  Coverage of this story has been very fair thus far and not at all sensationalized.  Plenty of other more important COVID-19 stories to cover right now.

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, cmichael1221 said:

Why bash TV crews?  Coverage of this story has been very fair thus far and not at all sensationalized.  Plenty of other more important COVID-19 stories to cover right now.

So far true. I haven't seen any coverage. There have been well over 100 covid cases on cruise ships over the past month but it seems Carnival gets the spotlight as usual. We'll see what happens tomorrow when the ship docks.

[bucfan2]

2 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

Kind of difficult.  They are non existent on Carnival.

Sorry you couldn’t understand the point I was trying to make in a soft manner.  I’ll rephrase it so even you can understand….I believe failure of a cruise line will make for easier social distancing.

[bucfan2]

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

But it does help identify which posters haven't cruised on Carnival in the past few years.

That’s a true statement bjerk….been about 4 years since I’ve been on Carnival.  Sorry, but not surprised you couldn’t understand the point being made.

[DGNewton]

On 8/12/2021 at 4:31 PM, lostsoulcruiser said:

Twenty-seven people sailing on Carnival Cruise Line's Carnival Vista ship have tested positive for COVID-19. Of those who tested positive, 26 are crew members and one person is a passenger, according to a news release from the Belize Tourism Board Wednesday.

Carnival spokesperson AnneMarie Matthews confirmed the positive cases and additional info in the tourism board's statement to USA TODAY.

Matthews said positive COVID cases were first announced last Wednesday during the previous cruise that disembarked last Saturday in Galveston, Texas. It's unclear how many people were positive at that time. 

"We are managing a small number of COVID cases on board Vista," Matthews said. "Guests on board both the previous and current sailing were informed and, specifically on the current sailing, the Captain has made at least two announcements related to this."

 

 

 

Really - we haven't heard about this - get a life as its been posted way too much.....

[topaz123]

More than two dozen cases of Covid-19 have been detected among crew and passengers aboard a Carnival cruise ship, according to the Belize Tourism Board.  Is this true, it was reported on CNN?