Carnival Horizon Paint Job Peeling Off

[Mr305]

Is Carnival Horizon losing her new paint job?  Saw a video today and one side looks like the paint is starting to come off.

[Guest BasicSailor]

Hard to tell in that picture, looks like seafoam slobber.

[scpirate]

Now you know where Earl Scheib went to.

[BlerkOne]

Could be evidence of sea gulls.

[IntrepidFromDC]

Maybe she took out another Manhattan parking garage (I was there! I have pics!)

[shof515]

This might be the effect of new paint carnival is testing on select ships:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/26545-carnival-corporation-driving-technical-innovation.html

[brilliantseas]

Carnival must have hired Airbus to do the paint job. Flaking off faster than an Emirates A350. 

[Joe817]

1 hour ago, BasicSailor said:

Hard to tell in that picture, looks like seafoam slobber.

Hashahahahaha! That right there is FUNNY! LMAOROTF. And....why yes it does! Good one! 👍

[Roscoe13]

Oh great!  I was supposed to sail on the Horizon but got transferred to the Liberty and now the Horizon has rabies?

 

[Mr305]

If you remember, when Horizon got her new paint job, they didn’t strip the old one.  Instead, they painted right over it.  Wonder if that decision is coming back to bite them, if in fact, the new paint is coming off.

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@Thorncroft

 

😉 

[Old Fart Cruisers]

4 hours ago, scpirate said:

Now you know where Earl Scheib went to.

[SNJCruisers]

6 hours ago, IntrepidFromDC said:

Maybe she took out another Manhattan parking garage (I was there! I have pics!)

End of August 2018, 8 day cruise?

[chengkp75]

8 hours ago, shof515 said:

This might be the effect of new paint carnival is testing on select ships:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/26545-carnival-corporation-driving-technical-innovation.html

That refers to "hull paint", which in the industry means "bottom paint", the paint below the waterline that is affected by marine growth.  "Topsides" paint on the hull is typically epoxy (older) or two part polyurethane (newer).

6 hours ago, Mr305 said:

If you remember, when Horizon got her new paint job, they didn’t strip the old one.  Instead, they painted right over it.  Wonder if that decision is coming back to bite them, if in fact, the new paint is coming off.

A ship's paint program consists of "anti-corrosion" coats (primers) and "topcoats" (appearance).  In many cases, if the anti-corrosive layer has not failed (no rust showing through), a new coat of topcoat will be applied over the existing coat, after proper preparation.  This usually entails "driving" a remote controlled sand-sweeping (less intense than sand blasting) cart over the entire surface to remove the chalky residue that epoxies give off as they age, or to break the hard, smooth surface of the polyurethanes.  The picture of Horizon shows adhesion failure of the topcoat, meaning that the surface was not adequately cleaned before applying the new paint, or the atmospheric conditions were not proper for applying the coating.  Simple things like was that band of hull in shadow while the more vertical areas above and below in sunlight, and so at a different surface temperature and humidity, or whether the temperature inside the hull at those spots was different than the other areas, can affect paint performance.  What time of year was she painted?

[emoorehead]

8 hours ago, Roscoe13 said:

Oh great!  I was supposed to sail on the Horizon but got transferred to the Liberty and now the Horizon has rabies?

 

Guess it's a good thing you got moved

[Guest BasicSailor]

Laying my humor to aside for a moment only😇.  Those marks will be taken care of at the next port more than likely.  You may have noticed the maintenance staff in the past painting with those long worm rollers.  She will get her spot coats.

[chengkp75]

42 minutes ago, BasicSailor said:

Laying my humor to aside for a moment only😇.  Those marks will be taken care of at the next port more than likely.  You may have noticed the maintenance staff in the past painting with those long worm rollers.  She will get her spot coats.

Which are virtually useless.  Unless they get up there and clean all the salt off with fresh water, let it dry completely, and then paint, it will continue to peel, and have to be done over and over again.  Cruise ship owners are famous for spending money on this, while many freighter companies do not allow the crew to do much painting in service, because they know it is a waste of money, and will concentrate on a full, properly applied coating in shipyard.

[IntrepidFromDC]

5 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

End of August 2018, 8 day cruise?

Sounds right.

[Guest BasicSailor]

2 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Which are virtually useless.  Unless they get up there and clean all the salt off with fresh water, let it dry completely, and then paint, it will continue to peel, and have to be done over and over again.  Cruise ship owners are famous for spending money on this, while many freighter companies do not allow the crew to do much painting in service, because they know it is a waste of money, and will concentrate on a full, properly applied coating in shipyard.

Now you and I both know this to be true, and it is done over and over again. That blue look is going to catch hell in the upcoming years, bet you still see them painting with those worm rollers for years to come.

[kwokpot]

5 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

End of August 2018, 8 day cruise?

Yes, August 20-28th. I was on that cruise and it was a non event. You had no idea onboard the incident happened and there was no delay whatsoever to disembarkation.

[SNJCruisers]

7 hours ago, IntrepidFromDC said:

Sounds right.

I was on that cruise.  Stayed in Havana area.

[SNJCruisers]

6 hours ago, kwokpot said:

Yes, August 20-28th. I was on that cruise and it was a non event. You had no idea onboard the incident happened and there was no delay whatsoever to disembarkation.

I was getting on as you were getting off.  The word spread like wildfire about the crash while we were waiting to embark.

[IntrepidFromDC]

"Merely a flesh wound"

[NutsAboutGolf]

Here's an fascinating photo from CruiseHive while it was being painted in dry dock, guessing we're seeing primer and not the top coat?:

 

The painting happened while in dry dock, is it typical for there to be any kind of "warranty" or are the painters actual Carnival employees/contractors?

 

[chengkp75]

7 hours ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

The painting happened while in dry dock, is it typical for there to be any kind of "warranty" or are the painters actual Carnival employees/contractors?

The painters will either be shipyard employees, or a third party sub-contractor hired by the shipyard.  Typically, the shipowner will hire the paint manufacturer to have a representative present and supervising the paint work.  As for a warranty, it can all depend on how well the paint contractor followed the manufacturer's rep's orders, how well the rep supervised, and in some cases whether the shipowner followed the recommendations of the contractors or the paint rep.  Sometimes time constraints to get the ship out of drydock override other concerns, and lead to paint applications that are not optimum.  There won't be much of a settlement, if any, it just gets swallowed in operating cost.