Traveller321Go Posted April 26, 2022 Author #26 Share Posted April 26, 2022 The number is passengers only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibutzer Posted April 26, 2022 #27 Share Posted April 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, Traveller321Go said: The number is passengers only. Rooms do not equate to people. This is all speculation. Sorry for those who are quarentined. O is in a tough situation, people threaten if asked to mask up and blamed if passengers get COVID. Bottomline for me is to beconsiderate of others, mask up, self test, and isolate if needed. Help O stay in business please 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mauibabes Posted April 26, 2022 #28 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Ditto and Amen kibutzer. We want O in business for a long, long time. We have friends on Regatta now and have not heard anything negative as yet. It is impossible to resolve when so many people are asymptomatic so the blame game is not easily played. We had a friend on a Great Britain land tour in perfect health test positive and just had to slog through the 5 days of quarantine plus some additional days in the hotel until she got the airline approval to fly. Pre Covid we were on Riviera and there must have been 100-200 sick with coughs and colds, friends and me included, but there was never any mention of quarantining people. We did our best to isolate ourselves and stay away from the hackers but germs know no boundaries or masks or …. Take care and stay well. With all the precautions taken in Washington, even our VP with all 4 possible shots, tests positive and Nancy and dozens more, it is inevitable that we may all get it at one time or another. Mauibabes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted April 26, 2022 #29 Share Posted April 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, kibutzer said: Rooms do not equate to people Unoccupied rooms don't get sent to a shoreside quarantine hotel. Fifty rooms equate to a minimum of 50 people and the reality will be closer to 100 than 50. But even if it's only 50 passengers that's 10% of those on board, which is not a very desirable situation. And how many more are not going to test positive until they start feeling ill sometime shortly after disembarkation ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 26, 2022 #30 Share Posted April 26, 2022 So the solution for the cruise lines are to require everyone to test & retest every few days Mask up wash your hands often & avoid sharing tables & social distance Many people are not going to agree & will continue to spread the virus It may be just cold symptoms to some but others it can be more serious We all are tired of covid but some are still willing to mask up & protect themselves & others JMO 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted April 26, 2022 #31 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Rooms are suddenly opening up on my Oct 1,2022 cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 26, 2022 #32 Share Posted April 26, 2022 i know this is a tough question but I wonder if any of those that got Covid on board can give a general impression on how careful they were?? More masks indoors/outdoors?? Ate alone?? etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 26, 2022 #33 Share Posted April 26, 2022 3 hours ago, njhorseman said: Unoccupied rooms don't get sent to a shoreside quarantine hotel. Fifty rooms equate to a minimum of 50 people and the reality will be closer to 100 than 50. But even if it's only 50 passengers that's 10% of those on board, which is not a very desirable situation. And how many more are not going to test positive until they start feeling ill sometime shortly after disembarkation ? also surely can get it during excursions? The only way forward is surely daily testing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted April 27, 2022 #34 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 minute ago, drkitkat123 said: also surely can get it during excursions? The only way forward is surely daily testing? On the Viking Ocean board there's been extensive discussion of daily testing, which has been part of Viking's protocols since cruising resumed. There are many, myself included, who oppose it . I doubt you can find an epidemiologist who would recommend that fully vaccinated people displaying no COVID symptoms and who are not identified as close contacts of an infected individual be tested daily . IMO the way forward should be mandated wearing of N95, KN95 or KF94 masks in all indoor public spaces except while actually eating or drinking, while on shore excursions, and even in crowded outdoor situations. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doubt It Posted April 27, 2022 #35 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Will cancel the Oceania cruise in August. A total scam and not paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveller321Go Posted April 27, 2022 Author #36 Share Posted April 27, 2022 44 minutes ago, drkitkat123 said: i know this is a tough question but I wonder if any of those that got Covid on board can give a general impression on how careful they were?? More masks indoors/outdoors?? Ate alone?? etc etc At the beginning no masks or staying away from other passengers. Half way through when people started getting sick many people started wearing masks. We ate alone, sat alone but still got it. Had there been an announcement telling people about the outbreak I’m sure most people would have been cooperative and responsible to minimize the spread. But it was business as usual and no announcement was made. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 27, 2022 #37 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 hour ago, njhorseman said: On the Viking Ocean board there's been extensive discussion of daily testing, which has been part of Viking's protocols since cruising resumed. There are many, myself included, who oppose it . I doubt you can find an epidemiologist who would recommend that fully vaccinated people displaying no COVID symptoms and who are not identified as close contacts of an infected individual be tested daily . IMO the way forward should be mandated wearing of N95, KN95 or KF94 masks in all indoor public spaces except while actually eating or drinking, while on shore excursions, and even in crowded outdoor situations. just trying to get this straight in my head ---- therefore no testing even before boarding if not a close contact?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 27, 2022 #38 Share Posted April 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, drkitkat123 said: just trying to get this straight in my head ---- therefore no testing even before boarding if not a close contact?? I suppose there could be 3 regimes of testing for those without symptoms 1. Upon embarkation at beginning of cruise 2. Upon every return to ship 3. Daily or ? second daily etc Not sure which one is better or worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted April 27, 2022 #39 Share Posted April 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, Doubt It said: Will cancel the Oceania cruise in August. A total scam and not paying for it. Why do you say it's a total scam? Could you provide some specifics so we could understand? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted April 27, 2022 #40 Share Posted April 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, Traveller321Go said: At the beginning no masks or staying away from other passengers. Half way through when people started getting sick many people started wearing masks. We ate alone, sat alone but still got it. Had there been an announcement telling people about the outbreak I’m sure most people would have been cooperative and responsible to minimize the spread. But it was business as usual and no announcement was made. Di you wear masks, except when eating or drinking and socially distance, regardless of what others were doing? We're trying to evaluate all the variable of the risks. Thanks for any insight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osandomir Posted April 27, 2022 #41 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 hour ago, drkitkat123 said: also surely can get it during excursions? The only way forward is surely daily testing? Daily testing, KN 95 masks and high probability of being quarantined for the most part of the cruise… I’m not sure many people will continue to sign up and invest their money into vacations like that if all requirements last for much longer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 27, 2022 #42 Share Posted April 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, osandomir said: Daily testing, KN 95 masks and high probability of being quarantined for the most part of the cruise… I’m not sure many people will continue to sign up and invest their money into vacations like that if all requirements last for much longer. we have a cruise booked but I can only see us going when and if Covid is managed as a normal cold - there is too high a risk of being confined to cabins even with mask wearing (and that does not seem like doable for me for whole cruise) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveller321Go Posted April 27, 2022 Author #43 Share Posted April 27, 2022 We were super careful after it became apparent there was a problem. Masks, sat in the back at the show, avoided groups. We gradually saw fewer and fewer passengers around the ship. People were sick and confined to their rooms during the cruise as well or maybe they were just avoiding crowds. I’m also hearing from people who developed symptoms after they got home. I heard from several people on the cruise who said they were sick, coughing, sore throat, and didn’t test because they didn’t want to quarantine. Unfortunately we were never told about the magnitude of the outbreak so people couldn’t make informed decisions about their health. I accept that there is a risk in cruising but I need to know the facts to make my decisions. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted April 27, 2022 #44 Share Posted April 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, drkitkat123 said: just trying to get this straight in my head ---- therefore no testing even before boarding if not a close contact?? No...I think a test before boarding is fine. What I said is that I'm opposed to daily testing of vaccinated asymptomatic people who are not close contacts of an infected person. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted April 27, 2022 #45 Share Posted April 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Traveller321Go said: I heard from several people on the cruise who said they were sick, coughing, sore throat, and didn’t test because they didn’t want to quarantine. Isn't this the problem? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted April 27, 2022 #46 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Traveller321Go said: We were super careful after it became apparent there was a problem. Isn't this too late to adopt a heightened protocols? Edited April 27, 2022 by 1985rz1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 27, 2022 #47 Share Posted April 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, Traveller321Go said: We were super careful after it became apparent there was a problem. Masks, sat in the back at the show, avoided groups. We gradually saw fewer and fewer passengers around the ship. People were sick and confined to their rooms during the cruise as well or maybe they were just avoiding crowds. Did people wear masks onshore or tours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkitkat123 Posted April 27, 2022 #48 Share Posted April 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, 1985rz1 said: Isn't this the problem? or is it the solution? This is probably what we all used to do before COVID and I will probably only cruise when we can get back to some form of non-isolation for "minor" symptoms. I am BTW a fully vaccinated physician 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 27, 2022 #49 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Pre covid we had been on cruises where people were coughing etc.. we would try to avoid them & stay out the areas where those sick people seemed to go It was not a mask society then but I may adapt to wearing one in the future when travelling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1985rz1 Posted April 27, 2022 #50 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, drkitkat123 said: or is it the solution? This is probably what we all used to do before COVID and I will probably only cruise when we can get back to some form of non-isolation for "minor" symptoms. I am BTW a fully vaccinated physician Wait...this is not before COVID, and if minor problems are tested and COVID is not the cause, there is no isolation. So why do you say "when we can get back to some form of non-isolation for "minor" symptoms." If it's COVID with minor symptoms, one is still infective. Edited April 27, 2022 by 1985rz1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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