Certificate of Recovery

[wallyh4184]

Just wondering if anyone has sailed using a Certificate of Recovery recently. "Guests who have recently recovered from COVID-19 may present a Certificate of Recovery and proof of the positive PCR or Antigen test result taken between 11-90 days prior to the sail date in order to board and be exempt from testing. "

[SusanBentley1947]

2 minutes ago, wallyh4184 said:

Just wondering if anyone has sailed using a Certificate of Recovery recently. "Guests who have recently recovered from COVID-19 may present a Certificate of Recovery and proof of the positive PCR or Antigen test result taken between 11-90 days prior to the sail date in order to board and be exempt from testing. "

There are several threads that discuss exactly this.  Yes..  Friends said out of Amsterdam for example.  The only issue is some countries do not accept a COR so you willneed to check the current COR rules for each country/port your cruise will visit .  Also remember those rules change often.

Several on our upcoming cruise will be using one.

[Jim_Iain]

I haven't yet but will be getting my COR in on July 30 for an Aug 7 cruise.   I think we should be ok either way as we are both now testing negative.  Getting one just as a precaution.

 

I've so far only read one person who has boarded using one and she said it was just like presenting a Negative Test.   They just shoot a picture of it like they do with a negative test.

 

[cachouonacruise]

We boarded Silhouette in June having in hands a Certificate of Recovery (COR) in addition to the official PCR test (positive) and then, an official negative Antigen test taken within 48 hours of cruising. We really had no problems.

 

This said, prior to cruise, I did call a Celebrity representative to inquire about our situation, having tested positive on April 28, for a cruise departing June 11.

 

The representative informed me then, that if our pre-boarding antigen test was positive, we could still board, the cruise,  thanks to our COR and of course, if we tested negative, we would have no issues.

 

So, I questioned the representative regarding the need for a pre-boarding antigen test, since we could board whether it was positive or negative. The answer I got was :  Everyone has to be tested prior sailing. No exceptions. So, I understood that the pre-boarding testing was a regulatory requirement, and I proceeded as requested.

 

 

[Cruisegoer]

9 minutes ago, cachouonacruise said:

We boarded Silhouette in June having in hands a Certificate of Recovery (COR) in addition to the official PCR test (positive) and then, an official negative Antigen test taken within 48 hours of cruising. We really had no problems.

 

This said, prior to cruise, I did call a Celebrity representative to inquire about our situation, having tested positive on April 28, for a cruise departing June 11.

 

The representative informed me then, that if our pre-boarding antigen test was positive, we could still board, the cruise,  thanks to our COR and of course, if we tested negative, we would have no issues.

 

So, I questioned the representative regarding the need for a pre-boarding antigen test, since we could board whether it was positive or negative. The answer I got was :  Everyone has to be tested prior sailing. No exceptions. So, I understood that the pre-boarding testing was a regulatory requirement, and I proceeded as requested.

 

 

Why if you had a negative rapid test, and were considered fully vaccinated, would you think you needed a COR too?  

[Jim_Iain]

22 minutes ago, cachouonacruise said:

We boarded Silhouette in June having in hands a Certificate of Recovery (COR) in addition to the official PCR test (positive) and then, an official negative Antigen test taken within 48 hours of cruising. We really had no problems.

 

This said, prior to cruise, I did call a Celebrity representative to inquire about our situation, having tested positive on April 28, for a cruise departing June 11.

 

The representative informed me then, that if our pre-boarding antigen test was positive, we could still board, the cruise,  thanks to our COR and of course, if we tested negative, we would have no issues.

 

So, I questioned the representative regarding the need for a pre-boarding antigen test, since we could board whether it was positive or negative. The answer I got was :  Everyone has to be tested prior sailing. No exceptions. So, I understood that the pre-boarding testing was a regulatory requirement, and I proceeded as requested.

 

 

On July 1 the changed the requirements to also allow a positive Antgen or PCR     Also have been in contact with Celebrity and told that we would also have to be tested on the B2B but if we were to Test Positive the COR wold cover us.  

 

 

[Jim_Iain]

14 minutes ago, Cruisegoer said:

Why if you had a negative rapid test, and were considered fully vaccinated, would you think you needed a COR too?  

After having tested positive it is possible to test positive for up to 3 months (the consensus is the viral load is so low that you are not contagious) and sometimes while you may test negative on an Antigen you could test positive on a PCR or even occasionally with certain antigen tests.     For us it will just be an insurance policy. 

[RichYak]

54 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

I haven't yet but will be getting my COR in on July 30 for an Aug 7 cruise.   I think we should be ok either way as we are both now testing negative.  Getting one just as a precaution.

I didn't realize you and Iain had been testing positive again. Were you symptom free?

[Jim_Iain]

21 hours ago, RichYak said:

I didn't realize you and Iain had been testing positive again. Were you symptom free?

Yea... Doctor thinks it was a breakthrough or re-emergent ---pretty  much asymptomatic except a bad headache.   Also the positive line was just a slight pink instead of a really solid red like the control.  

 

We tested negative again after just 3 days.    I've been burning through those free government test kits, but used an eMed one for the proctored positive for a COR.    We had our 4th booster after we were negative again.   We were holding off until 2 weeks prior to our next cruise.     I tell you this new omicron is hitting everyone we know.

[RichYak]

2 hours ago, Jim_Iain said:

I tell you this new omicron is hitting everyone we know.

Same here. It seems unavoidable now. We tested positive in Spain and had to spend a few extra unplanned days in Barcelona just before the CDC dropped the return to US testing requirement..

 

Glad it didn't hit you too hard. The silver lining for you and Iain are free passes (C of R) for your Summit voyages. Enjoy!

[gardenbunny]

Thanks for starting this topic.  I need some advice, please.

We have cruised 4 times in 2022, healthy in early 70s, all 3 shots.  Yep, finally got Covid just off RCI July 19th.  Got home, thought it might be a cold but decided to use one of the free self test kits (not proctored) and we both tested positive.  Mild symptoms and we are recovered.

We board Eclipse in Vancouver Aug 21 for Alaska.  I am confused about wording for the CofR that you have to have the dated original lab test for the positive result and the doctor recovery letter.  You don’t have the lab test if you did it at home.  We have contacted our doctor for the letter, and they will provide it.  But they said we probably don’t need it since our pre travel rapid test we get on 19th should be negative.
I am thinking we will just self test at home to be sure we are negative and then go to CVS like we always do for their test.

Any thoughts?

 

[abbydancer2003]

I just got a COR, used an online MD service and paid for it.  (Found them on the Washington Post and Frommer's websites, so I knew they were legit).  I had Covid in late May, and missed a cruise.  I was just doing home tests, until I knew I  couldn't go, and then got a PCR, in case I needed a COR.  (By the time I got the result I was negative, so when the lab called me I was able to tell them not to bother telling me what I should do).  

 

So we made up the cruise in mid July.  Day after getting back, we tested - negative.  5 days after getting home, tested again, and there was a very faint test line.  30 hours later - negative again.

 

I'm cruising again next week, so in that 30 hour period I got a COR.  Just in case.  

 

My current thinking is I may have waited to long to read the test. I read that a line could build even if you don't have it.

 

[RichYak]

8 hours ago, gardenbunny said:

 I am confused about wording for the CofR that you have to have the dated original lab test for the positive result and the doctor recovery letter.  You don’t have the lab test if you did it at home.

Your understanding is correct. Since you didn't get a lab certified positive test at the time, the C of R will be of no use to you on Celebrity.

[Jim_Iain]

10 hours ago, gardenbunny said:

Thanks for starting this topic.  I need some advice, please.

We have cruised 4 times in 2022, healthy in early 70s, all 3 shots.  Yep, finally got Covid just off RCI July 19th.  Got home, thought it might be a cold but decided to use one of the free self test kits (not proctored) and we both tested positive.  Mild symptoms and we are recovered.

We board Eclipse in Vancouver Aug 21 for Alaska.  I am confused about wording for the CofR that you have to have the dated original lab test for the positive result and the doctor recovery letter.  You don’t have the lab test if you did it at home.  We have contacted our doctor for the letter, and they will provide it.  But they said we probably don’t need it since our pre travel rapid test we get on 19th should be negative.
I am thinking we will just self test at home to be sure we are negative and then go to CVS like we always do for their test.

Any thoughts?

 

Your doctor can give you a COR but in order to use it you have to have  proctored PCR or Antigen test dated and timed showing when you first tested positive.    This is a requirement of Celebrity and was also a requirement of the U.S. when testing was required.

 

In our case after testing positive using the home test we used one of the eMed ones solely to document our status.    That date is also used to match the COR being issued between 11 and 90 days from first tested.

[Jim_Iain]

8 hours ago, abbydancer said:

I just got a COR, used an online MD service and paid for it.  (Found them on the Washington Post and Frommer's websites, so I knew they were legit).  I had Covid in late May, and missed a cruise.  I was just doing home tests, until I knew I  couldn't go, and then got a PCR, in case I needed a COR.  (By the time I got the result I was negative, so when the lab called me I was able to tell them not to bother telling me what I should do).  

 

So we made up the cruise in mid July.  Day after getting back, we tested - negative.  5 days after getting home, tested again, and there was a very faint test line.  30 hours later - negative again.

 

I'm cruising again next week, so in that 30 hour period I got a COR.  Just in case.  

 

My current thinking is I may have waited to long to read the test. I read that a line could build even if you don't have it.

 

 

Abby  -    I don't think wasting a long time affects the test.    When I was testing daily waiting to test negative the line started getting lighter and lighter after 7 days but saw some in the Garbage that had been there 4-5 hours and still showed the faint pink line.  

 

Which company did you use for the COR? 

[abbydancer2003]

1 hour ago, Jim_Iain said:

 

Abby  -    I don't think wasting a long time affects the test.    When I was testing daily waiting to test negative the line started getting lighter and lighter after 7 days but saw some in the Garbage that had been there 4-5 hours and still showed the faint pink line.  

 

Which company did you use for the COR? 

I read that a false positive can occur if you wait to read the test, ie a faint line can develop, which is different that having an initial positive read when you know you have it.  The only reason I think that it could have been a false positive was it was sandwiched between 2 negative tests.  (I did stay home between the positive and the subsequent negative).  

 

And I used MDAnywhere.  They charge 69.00 and it took about 2-3 hours to get the letter.

 

[gardenbunny]

Thanks Rich and Jim for your replies.  You confirmed what I thought.  With so many people doing home tests it is an unfortunate situation that you cannot “prove” it.  And who thinks at the time you find out, to go get a lab test?  Especially if you hadn’t thought about how it would affect a possible cruise and make it your first priority (treating Covid and feeling better took that spot)  to go read all the cruise protocols!

Guess we will just buy a bunch of home tests and keep checking every week that we are negative before getting the “official” test 2 days prior.

Have never used a home  proctored test - would you recommend trying that for the cruise negative test vs CVS?  

Also, does it allow a husband and wife to do them at the same time?

Thanks again

[abbydancer2003]

2 minutes ago, gardenbunny said:

 

Also, does it allow a husband and wife to do them at the same time?

Thanks again

You each need your own account to do the proctored test.  So you could do them on different devices at the same time, but you can't do them in the same session.

[Jim_Iain]

4 hours ago, abbydancer said:

I read that a false positive can occur if you wait to read the test, ie a faint line can develop, which is different that having an initial positive read when you know you have it.  The only reason I think that it could have been a false positive was it was sandwiched between 2 negative tests.  (I did stay home between the positive and the subsequent negative).  

 

And I used MDAnywhere.  They charge 69.00 and it took about 2-3 hours to get the letter.

 

Always possible --- mine stayed positive until the 4th test.     MdAnywhere looks good. 

[FFMilesJunkie]

31 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

Always possible --- mine stayed positive until the 4th test.     MdAnywhere looks good. 

Another positive vote for MDAnywhere. I filled out the online form the other night and had the COR less than 2 hours later. This was around 10pm EDT. We are going to use it next week on the Apex out of Amsterdam. 

[Jim_Iain]

6 hours ago, gardenbunny said:

Thanks Rich and Jim for your replies.  You confirmed what I thought.  With so many people doing home tests it is an unfortunate situation that you cannot “prove” it.  And who thinks at the time you find out, to go get a lab test?  Especially if you hadn’t thought about how it would affect a possible cruise and make it your first priority (treating Covid and feeling better took that spot)  to go read all the cruise protocols!

Guess we will just buy a bunch of home tests and keep checking every week that we are negative before getting the “official” test 2 days prior.

Have never used a home  proctored test - would you recommend trying that for the cruise negative test vs CVS?  

Also, does it allow a husband and wife to do them at the same time?

Thanks again

 

I've done numerous tests using eMed and very easy and stress fee but you have to do them one at a time.

I'm trying OnPoint next Friday for the first time.   I've gotten good recommendations from others and with OnPoint it is done over a Zoom call and you can have up to 4 people tested at the same time.   After making the reservation you have to register by clicking a link.   You will then get a confirmation of both the zoom call and the registration.   Important to open the Registration one and open the attached PDF to get your registration number.  During your registration you upload you DL etc.  they ask for insurance but you can just choose to say you don't have insurance.

[Covepointcruiser]

If you have a positive antigen test then you can still spread the COVID virus.   Folks around here have caught the Omicron variants several times and one recovered and within two weeks was positive again.    If you have taken the medication for severe cases many have had rebound illness after five days.   The BA5 variant is easily caught and re-caught.   So much for having any immunity after you have had it.

[abbydancer2003]

27 minutes ago, Covepointcruiser said:

If you have a positive antigen test then you can still spread the COVID virus.   Folks around here have caught the Omicron variants several times and one recovered and within two weeks was positive again.    If you have taken the medication for severe cases many have had rebound illness after five days.   The BA5 variant is easily caught and re-caught.   So much for having any immunity after you have had it.

Everything I've read says maybe you can, but maybe not.

 

Unless you're an infectious disease specialist, none of us should be making pronouncements of contagiousness.  Just my opinion.

[Jim_Iain]

2 hours ago, FFMilesJunkie said:

Another positive vote for MDAnywhere. I filled out the online form the other night and had the COR less than 2 hours later. This was around 10pm EDT. We are going to use it next week on the Apex out of Amsterdam. 

Curious about this.  Do you have to have an online appointment with them or is it all done by filling in the forms?  

[abbydancer2003]

8 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

Curious about this.  Do you have to have an online appointment with them or is it all done by filling in the forms?  

You fill out a lot of forms, including a selfie, id, test results.  They also ask a lot of medical questions.  I answered no to all, since I wasn't looking for a dr. appointment for anything.  Then you pay, and wait a couple of hours.  I think that was it.