Fionboard Posted March 2, 2023 #176 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, snaefell said: Perhaps they should try an approach once described by Joshe Homme of Queens Of The Stone Age about a restaurant where he grew up in Palm Springs frequented by the likes of Dean Martin where it was a requirement to wear a jacket to enter,they had a supply of jackets at the entrance which would be given to those without,a member of staff would accompany them to the table,remove the jacket & return it to the front door,kept somebody in a job!😎 Saw exactly that happen once on Ventura. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted March 2, 2023 #177 Share Posted March 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, snaefell said: Perhaps they should try an approach once described by Joshe Homme of Queens Of The Stone Age about a restaurant where he grew up in Palm Springs frequented by the likes of Dean Martin where it was a requirement to wear a jacket to enter,they had a supply of jackets at the entrance which would be given to those without,a member of staff would accompany them to the table,remove the jacket & return it to the front door,kept somebody in a job!😎 They used to have similar on Cunard in the late 90s a gentleman tried to get in MDR on Informal night without a tie on and restaurant manager opened a draw full of ties and lent him one. In those days on Cunard there were only 2 dress codes Formal and Informal, Formal was dinner suit and black tie/dark suit and tie or Informal was any suit or jacket with a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted March 2, 2023 #178 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 hours ago, snaefell said: Perhaps they should try an approach once described by Joshe Homme of Queens Of The Stone Age about a restaurant where he grew up in Palm Springs frequented by the likes of Dean Martin where it was a requirement to wear a jacket to enter,they had a supply of jackets at the entrance which would be given to those without,a member of staff would accompany them to the table,remove the jacket & return it to the front door,kept somebody in a job!😎 P&O did the same thing regularly in the olden days...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted March 4, 2023 #179 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 10:51 PM, zap99 said: Morris dancers?. I already said that in # 171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted March 5, 2023 #180 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Arvia now allowing tailored shorts in the MDR on Informal Nights. I am assuming it's because they are in the Caribbean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 5, 2023 #181 Share Posted March 5, 2023 32 minutes ago, bobstheboy said: Arvia now allowing tailored shorts in the MDR on Informal Nights. I am assuming it's because they are in the Caribbean. And that then leads to the big question - how do you define "tailored" ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel57 Posted March 5, 2023 #182 Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 hours ago, bobstheboy said: Arvia now allowing tailored shorts in the MDR on Informal Nights. I am assuming it's because they are in the Caribbean. Sadly, in my opinion ( and I appreciate many will disagree) allowing shorts, albeit “tailored” ones on informal nights in the MDR, is a very slippery slope. However, I am not at all surprised at this. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted March 5, 2023 #183 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 hours ago, bobstheboy said: Arvia now allowing tailored shorts in the MDR on Informal Nights. I am assuming it's because they are in the Caribbean. 2 hours ago, wowzz said: And that then leads to the big question - how do you define "tailored" ? And it also leads to the question "what about the Canary Islands and the Mediterranean in summer"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denarius Posted March 5, 2023 #184 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 hours ago, wowzz said: And that then leads to the big question - how do you define "tailored" ? Something like this perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 5, 2023 #185 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Denarius said: Something like this perhaps. I'd agree, but as Angel57 said, it is a slippery slope. Before you know it, men will be trying to enter with sports shorts. Why not allow shorts anywhere in the ship, but not the MDR ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsta Posted March 5, 2023 #186 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Britboys said: And it also leads to the question "what about the Canary Islands and the Mediterranean in summer"... And how about a hot summer in the UK and northern Europe? . . . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted March 5, 2023 #187 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Denarius said: Something like this perhaps. And the man behind in the pink stripy shirt would say "but these are designer shorts that cost a fortune"... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted March 5, 2023 #188 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Denarius said: Something like this perhaps. I have about 3 pairs like that, brought them when we went to Kos on a land based holiday as tailored shorts were permitted in the Dining Room. not sure about the jacket and tie though. So if it becomes an option I am already prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satellite city Posted March 19, 2023 #189 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) IMO the only slippery slope is that tailored shorts look ridiculous with a jacket and tie. They make grown men look like they are off to boarding school at age 5 I honestly see no need for dress codes, I don’t do formal nights due to invisible disability and therefore either have to send a load of info to p and o to be allowed in mdr and stared at, or go where permitted. Some will ask if it is so hard to wear a tie- for some it is, and we shouldn’t be tarring those that don’t as won’t, when some can’t Edited March 19, 2023 by Satellite city 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonOne Posted March 23, 2023 #190 Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 3/19/2023 at 12:30 AM, Satellite city said: I honestly see no need for dress codes There is no NEED. Plenty of other lines are out there which do not have dress codes. However P+O have taken a judgement over the years that they get a higher income with some formal nights. That may change over time, probably towards less formals, but perhaps in the other direction, who knows? So if you want to express it as a need, it is entirely with the business trying to maximise its returns. Not the 'needs' of passengers. On the other hand, it seems enough passengers want to dress up it is something P+O are willing to go along with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crompton21 Posted March 24, 2023 #191 Share Posted March 24, 2023 16 hours ago, WestonOne said: There is no NEED. Plenty of other lines are out there which do not have dress codes. However P+O have taken a judgement over the years that they get a higher income with some formal nights. That may change over time, probably towards less formals, but perhaps in the other direction, who knows? So if you want to express it as a need, it is entirely with the business trying to maximise its returns. Not the 'needs' of passengers. On the other hand, it seems enough passengers want to dress up it is something P+O are willing to go along with. If the judgement of P&O is that formal nights generate income, surely they would do more of them and not less? I think it's more to do with their perception of what customers want (which this thread clearly proves to be an impossible conundrum) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonOne Posted March 24, 2023 #192 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, crompton21 said: If the judgement of P&O is that formal nights generate income, surely they would do more of them and not less? I think it's more to do with their perception of what customers want (which this thread clearly proves to be an impossible conundrum) Indeed it is exactly that perception that sets the number of formal nights where it is. Their assessment is that having more would put off people who would regard it as too much fuss, and reducing the number might lose people who like them. It is a business judgement, which may be right or wrong. Edited March 24, 2023 by WestonOne 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted March 24, 2023 #193 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Business/finance will always trump any decision. In this case though, I would like to think that P&O are keen at present to hang on to the sizeable minority of pax who still prefer a more traditional cruise style, which includes the Formal Nights. We all know they are in a state of change with the new ships with which they are attracting the new to cruise market, many of who probably just want a package holiday hotel experience but on a ship. The day I feel Aurora has become a package holiday hotel only is the day I will be jumping ship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 24, 2023 #194 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I'm not sure that the formal nights generate that much extra revenue for P&O. After all, the photographers are independent of P&O, so only a small part of the revenue will trickle down to the bottom line. I suppose people may push the boat out (sic) with better/more drinks, which could be profitable. But, for once, I think P&O have probably gauged their market correctly - there is a demand for formal evenings from the majority of passengers, although perhaps less so for the new generation trying Iona and Arvia. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted March 24, 2023 #195 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, wowzz said: I'm not sure that the formal nights generate that much extra revenue for P&O. After all, the photographers are independent of P&O, so only a small part of the revenue will trickle down to the bottom line. I suppose people may push the boat out (sic) with better/more drinks, which could be profitable. But, for once, I think P&O have probably gauged their market correctly - there is a demand for formal evenings from the majority of passengers, although perhaps less so for the new generation trying Iona and Arvia. We have started to skip formal nights, but eat in "allowed " speciality restaurants instead. More revenue for them when we opt out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionboard Posted March 24, 2023 #196 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Love formal nights. One of the reasons I stay with P&O. Never dress up at home so makes a change, which is what a vacation is all about for me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare windra06 Posted March 24, 2023 #197 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) I'm in the position of needing to update my wardrobe - what is the norm now for formal nights? The last time I cruised was Celebrity in 2016 in my 20's and i'm sure things have moved on since then! I was snubbed on my last cruise for wearing a knee length satin dress, and while i like to buy new clothing i have no need for overly formal wear and would rather take something i will wear again. What can i get away with? I'm doing Scandinavia (Britannia) in September so i assume it will be fairly cold also. Edited March 24, 2023 by windra06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Sharon Posted March 24, 2023 #198 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, windra06 said: I'm in the position of needing to update my wardrobe - what is the norm now for formal nights? The last time I cruised was Celebrity in 2016 in my 20's and i'm sure things have moved on since then! I was snubbed on my last cruise for wearing a knee length satin dress, and while i like to buy new clothing i have no need for overly formal wear and would rather take something i will wear again. What can i get away with? I'm doing Scandinavia (Britannia) in September so i assume it will be fairly cold also. Much as I love formal nights I do tend to take more cocktail dresses now rather than full-length gowns, but that is as much to do with my mobllity issues. I think a nice cocktail dress or pair of trousers can look as good on a formal night, specially with heels and a pretty bag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted March 24, 2023 #199 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, wowzz said: I'm not sure that the formal nights generate that much extra revenue for P&O. After all, the photographers are independent of P&O, so only a small part of the revenue will trickle down to the bottom line. I suppose people may push the boat out (sic) with better/more drinks, which could be profitable. But, for once, I think P&O have probably gauged their market correctly - there is a demand for formal evenings from the majority of passengers, although perhaps less so for the new generation trying Iona and Arvia. I believe the supportive posters are assuming that P&O having a more formal dress code system leads to higher cruise sales. I think they may have a point, since P&Os dress code does encourage all MDR diners to dress up, whereas when Celebriry dropped the dress code and changed formal nights to evening chic, the numbers dressing in black tie formality dropped significantly, mainly IMO because they didn't want to become a minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 24, 2023 #200 Share Posted March 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, windra06 said: I'm in the position of needing to update my wardrobe - what is the norm now for formal nights? The last time I cruised was Celebrity in 2016 in my 20's and i'm sure things have moved on since then! I was snubbed on my last cruise for wearing a knee length satin dress, and while i like to buy new clothing i have no need for overly formal wear and would rather take something i will wear again. What can i get away with? I'm doing Scandinavia (Britannia) in September so i assume it will be fairly cold also. 20 years ago my wife would wear a full length dress. Now she wears a lbd, or equivalent, or floaty dress trousers and a sparkly top. Don't worry about where the cruise is going. The temperature in the ship remains the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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