New global legal terms and conditions

[Biker19]

43 minutes ago, heatherbelle said:

I don’t care for the bit about they can increase the price by up to 8%.

Language like that exists in other markets as well but don't believe anyone ever reported RCI exercising that option.

[orville99]

Look at it from the bright side…this is possibly the first time in history that anyone has actually read a cruise contract.😇

[Saab4444]

31 minutes ago, latebuyer said:

I'm wondering if americans spend more overall and that's why other countries aren't getting as good a deal? I can see Canadians being cheaper than americans due to the exchange rate when it comes to excursions/drink packages etc.

Pricing is done locally based on what is achievable in local markets. E.g. an iphone also costs more in Europe than in the US.

[Saab4444]

55 minutes ago, heatherbelle said:

Noooooooo. Us Brits nearly always pay far more for everything than our American cousins (cruises and flights) etc.  plus given that it’s the 12th, we can’t even cancel and get our deposits back I guess.  
 

Here is what I can see for Brits, no mention of booking through a U.S. TA.

I don’t care for the bit about they can increase the price by up to 8%.

 

 

 

This was in the contract before as well. More important is if they will prohibit future cruise bookings from non locals and always refer to your local market. Some other cruise lines do that.

[Ret MP]

2 hours ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 Ok @Ret MP, we will short-cut "your excursion" off of the ship with the 'triple gold-plated Star Class Block' chained to your neck (I mean, that is where you wear it anyway).

 

You might even get a close look at the fishes on bottom.

 

🤣

Sounds just like an albatross to me.

[topnole]

2 hours ago, latebuyer said:

We agree to disagree. I had a horrible month long cough after covid. I don't want to get that again.

I did too last year.  Only thing is it wasn’t Covid.  It was a different cold virus.  Month long coughs are nothing new.  

[latebuyer]

Yes its possible it wasn't covid, as the covid had finished and then i got the cough. My point was just that if they remove the cancelling due to covid more people will go on the cruise while sick and I still think that's true. I am aware some people don't care about this.

[topnole]

1 minute ago, latebuyer said:

Yes its possible it wasn't covid, as the covid had finished and then i got the cough. My point was just that if they remove the cancelling due to covid more people will go on the cruise while sick and I still think that's true. I am aware some people don't care about this.

I get it.  But that has been going on since cruising started.  No different than any other type of traveling.  

[topnole]

1 hour ago, latebuyer said:

I'm wondering if americans spend more overall and that's why other countries aren't getting as good a deal? I can see Canadians being cheaper than americans due to the exchange rate when it comes to excursions/drink packages etc.

I doubt that is the reason.  It’s an international economy issue.  Many variables involved.  

[smokeybandit]

30 minutes ago, latebuyer said:

Yes its possible it wasn't covid, as the covid had finished and then i got the cough. My point was just that if they remove the cancelling due to covid more people will go on the cruise while sick and I still think that's true. I am aware some people don't care about this.

People have gone on cruise with colds for as long as there's been cruising.

[ONECRUISER]

4 hours ago, Ret MP said:

As I'm reading this thread, I receive an email, supposedly from RCCL.  But, the email address is from .everbridge.net.  Is .everbridge.net part of RCCL or is it a paid subcontractor of RCCL?  I know that most of us on here can't answer this question.  But, it is what sparks my interest.  

 

It just doesn't look authentic:

 

True. Though I've received at least 2 Dozen similar looking format from Royal in past covering other Topics

[Ret MP]

6 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

People have gone on cruise with colds for as long as there's been cruising.

Yep, that's very very true.

 

I believe I've had COVID at least 3 times.  Twice verified by my doctor's Office and once by home test, the last time just a couple/few weeks ago.  Maybe I'm just lucky but none of them were more than a cold-type illness.  I don't think COVID even measures up to the same standard as a common cold, anymore.  I've also had friends and relatives come down with COVID recently and feel the same way as I.  

[CFLRetired]

I'm just glad we had very little flu cases reported.  

[SPacificbound]

About 2 minutes ago I received basically the same email from Celebrity. Both from Everbridge with more legalese than I ever want to read. 

[ONECRUISER]

32 minutes ago, Ret MP said:

Yep, that's very very true.

 

I believe I've had COVID at least 3 times.  Twice verified by my doctor's Office and once by home test, the last time just a couple/few weeks ago.  Maybe I'm just lucky but none of them were more than a cold-type illness.  I don't think COVID even measures up to the same standard as a common cold, anymore.  I've also had friends and relatives come down with COVID recently and feel the same way as I.  

Yeah, Happens. Brother also 3 times, confirmed. 

[Brianr70]

Interesting that our New Zealand contract version as about only 9 mentions of COVID and nothing like the US contract version section 4 ??

[texmex.ferr]

5 hours ago, heatherbelle said:

Noooooooo. Us Brits nearly always pay far more for everything than our American cousins (cruises and flights) etc.  plus given that it’s the 12th, we can’t even cancel and get our deposits back I guess.  
 

Here is what I can see for Brits, no mention of booking through a U.S. TA.

I don’t care for the bit about they can increase the price by up to 8%.

 

 

 

The bit about being able to increase the price by 8% has always been in the contract, but I'm not sure about the rest of that clause, where it refers to fares could also be decreased in the same way

 

The price of the package may only be increased if specific costs rise (for instance fuel prices), and if expressly provided for in the contract, and in any event not later than 20 days before the start of the package. If the price increase exceeds 8% of the price of the package, the traveller may terminate the contract. If the organiser reserves the right to a price increase, the traveller has a right to a price reduction if there is a decrease in the relevant costs

[cublet]

15 hours ago, little britain said:

Spectrum of the Seas sailings are now operated by RCL Cruises (Cyprus) Ltd. 
 

wasn't Brilliance run out of Cyprus?  
 

 

Hello,

 

Once upon a time, Brilliance was 'run' out of the UK.

 

Regards,

 

Cublet

[cublet]

14 hours ago, little britain said:

Subtext….. if you’re already booked via the USA , you’re stuffed…. And if you book in the future via the USA you’re stuffed….🤦‍♀️

Hello,

 

That is what I got out of it.

 

I can only presume that someone booked using a place of residency that was not really theirs and then something arose and a claim for benefits was made that were not available in the place used for booking but was available in the true place of residency. RCI are saying "you can't have it both ways".

 

That's fair enough but RCI needs to train its muppets that different areas have different benefits/rights in term of booking T&Cs and US rules are not universal as they are the only ones the agents seem to know.

 

I took photographs of the slides of a NextCruise presentation that saved friends £300 for booking changes that the US/Guatemala agents insisted were due, but not according to the NextCruise presentation for UK pax.

 

Regards,

 

Cublet

 

[gavvy]

So will/ Have overseas people trying to book with an American agent got blocked from doing so, I know with a lot of them they don't have live booking engines so you have to call to complete the booking, will be interesting to see what they say if someone tries to do it.

 

What will happen to things like casino bookings as they are made under USA rules aren't they?

[little britain]

1 hour ago, cublet said:

Hello,

 

Once upon a time, Brilliance was 'run' out of the UK.

 

Regards,

 

Cublet

Thanks!

I knew she was different! 

Now many years ago Brilliance was based out of Harwich doing the northern routes…. If only history repeated itself and they bought Spectrum over to do the same! Perfect ship for Norway 🇳🇴! 

[gumshoe958]

1 hour ago, gavvy said:

So will/ Have overseas people trying to book with an American agent got blocked from doing so, I know with a lot of them they don't have live booking engines so you have to call to complete the booking, will be interesting to see what they say if someone tries to do it.

 

What will happen to things like casino bookings as they are made under USA rules aren't they?

The question is whether Royal’s actually going to ban overseas bookings completely or - more likely - still allow them but impose the T&Cs of your country of residence.

 

So a European resident could still book with a North American TA but wouldn’t be entitled to the free cabin moves, price drops etc that Americans and Canadians enjoy.

[gavvy]

3 minutes ago, gumshoe958 said:

The question is whether Royal’s actually going to ban overseas bookings completely or - more likely - still allow them but impose the T&Cs of your country of residence.

 

So a European resident could still book with a North American TA but wouldn’t be entitled to the free cabin moves, price drops etc that Americans and Canadians enjoy.

 

If they did the latter I would be ok, most book as the price is better in USA, if you are stuck with the 'lower' price than what I could have got from the UK - with no further reduction, then thats better than not being able to get it at all

[LittleJoefromKokomo]

2 hours ago, gavvy said:

 

What will happen to things like casino bookings as they are made under USA rules aren't they?

Yes, that will be very interesting to see. I have made bookings on Royals Swedish website and also have a booking for comped casino cruise. The casino cruise is stated in US dollars and my "normal" booking is stated in Swedish currency (SEK) Same in the cruise planner, if I wan't to buy anything on the casino cruise its stated in $ and for my normal cruise in SEK.

Also I wonder what will happen if we non US cruisers book a cruise on nextcruise, will we be quoted the US rate or the rate from our countries of residence?

[Saab4444]

1 hour ago, gumshoe958 said:

The question is whether Royal’s actually going to ban overseas bookings completely or - more likely - still allow them but impose the T&Cs of your country of residence.

 

So a European resident could still book with a North American TA but wouldn’t be entitled to the free cabin moves, price drops etc that Americans and Canadians enjoy.

But what about better terms in Europe like later final payment date (30 days EU and 45 days UK), lower deposit (about half of US amount in EU) and lower cancellation fee (=deposit amount)? Do you get this as well as a European with US bookings? I don‘t believe US booking agents will be able to verify this…