TheMichael Posted September 14, 2023 #26 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Casual: when an invitation to a party says "come as you are." Smart casual: When your mom says "at least put on a nice shirt and pants without holes in them." 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamthesea Posted September 14, 2023 #27 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) DH and I attended a last minute invite to a neighbors house two weeks ago. The host had made too much dinner after a trip to the farmers market, so he invited a few neighbors, including his in-laws, over to help eat up the food. The invitation was done in person as a few of us were walking our dogs at the time. We were told "come as you are." I was dressed fairly nice and clean outfit, but was not even close to smart casual. DH had on shorts and a nice tee shirt. We showed up to dinner less than an hour later in what we had on. Everyone else had gone home and changed clothes before the dinner. Smart casual, I might add. 😯 Edited September 14, 2023 by Iamthesea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmSprings Posted September 15, 2023 #28 Share Posted September 15, 2023 21 hours ago, sciencewonk said: In Australia, smart casual means no flip flops. For me, it means my “good” flip flops. 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SargassoPirate Posted September 15, 2023 #29 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Ever notice that most of the angst is about how the men dress for dinner? I recall a line from "As Good As It Gets" where, after being turned away for dinner because he didn't have a jacket, Marvin says to his date something to the effect "They make me buy a new outfit and let you in in a house dress" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMichael Posted September 15, 2023 #30 Share Posted September 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, SargassoPirate said: Ever notice that most of the angst is about how the men dress for dinner? I recall a line from "As Good As It Gets" where, after being turned away for dinner because he didn't have a jacket, Marvin says to his date something to the effect "They make me buy a new outfit and let you in in a house dress" Of course, he was insulting her with that comment, causing her to get up to leave... To be fair, we men tend to like to push the limits of "casual," much less "smart casual," way more than women do. Some guys seem willing to bring back the Boston Tea Party over their right to wear flip-flops and stretched-out t-shirts in the MDR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted September 15, 2023 #31 Share Posted September 15, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 2:06 PM, sciencewonk said: In Australia, smart casual means no flip flops. Which is OK with me as I'm not real comfortable wearing thongs.😉 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciencewonk Posted September 15, 2023 #32 Share Posted September 15, 2023 16 hours ago, lyndarra said: Which is OK with me as I'm not real comfortable wearing thongs.😉 I'm chuckling because you used the word thongs in the Australian sense, while many of the Americans on this board might read it in the American sense, which would be a g-string to Aussies. I actually debated myself about which word to use and ultimately went with flip flops. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthC Posted September 16, 2023 #33 Share Posted September 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, sciencewonk said: I actually debated myself about which word to use and ultimately went with flip flops. Good choice. There was no question precisely what you meant that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccole Posted September 16, 2023 #34 Share Posted September 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, sciencewonk said: I'm chuckling because you used the word thongs in the Australian sense, while many of the Americans on this board might read it in the American sense, which would be a g-string to Aussies. I actually debated myself about which word to use and ultimately went with flip flops. A thong to most Americans would refer to a type of bathing suit or under garment. When I was growing up thongs were flip flops. I have not heard the word thongs used for flip flops in decades. Good choice. Cherie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAcruising Posted September 16, 2023 #35 Share Posted September 16, 2023 To be honest, I'm old. Thongs are flip-flops. I've never seen the current version of "thongs" in real life. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMichael Posted September 16, 2023 #36 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 hours ago, sciencewonk said: I'm chuckling because you used the word thongs in the Australian sense, while many of the Americans on this board might read it in the American sense, which would be a g-string to Aussies. I actually debated myself about which word to use and ultimately went with flip flops. Google "Sisqo"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairgarth Posted September 16, 2023 #37 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/13/2023 at 8:44 AM, Retired 07 said: I noticed on the itinerary on the Navigator app, they show 3 different options for dressing at dinner: dressy, casual, and smart casual. What’s the difference between casual and smart casual? To respond to the original question, as I see it FWIW for gentlemen (can't advise the ladies). Smart casual would be dress pants with a crease, dress shirt with long sleeves and a collar. French cuffs, maybe? Shoes, not sneakers. Tie and jacket not required. Casual would be none of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted September 17, 2023 #38 Share Posted September 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Fairgarth said: To respond to the original question, as I see it FWIW for gentlemen (can't advise the ladies). Smart casual would be dress pants with a crease, dress shirt with long sleeves and a collar. French cuffs, maybe? Shoes, not sneakers. Tie and jacket not required. Casual would be none of the above. I haven't seen anything on HAL's website or any of the various websites that discuss dress codes that suggests that smart casual requires that men wear long sleeve shirts. Do you have a reference for that or is it just your personal interpretation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAcruising Posted September 17, 2023 #39 Share Posted September 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Fairgarth said: Smart casual would be dress pants with a crease, dress shirt with long sleeves and a collar. French cuffs, maybe? Uh, no. You're thinking about Cunard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted September 17, 2023 #40 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Toofarfromthesea said: I haven't seen anything on HAL's website or any of the various websites that discuss dress codes that suggests that smart casual requires that men wear long sleeve shirts. Do you have a reference for that or is it just your personal interpretation? Wow. I haven't worn a long sleeve shirt since I retired from banking in 1994. I don't even own one. My usual outfit for dining is clean, long pants, slacks or jeans (no holes) and a collared shirt. Sometimes a T shirt in the tropics. I can't wear "shoes" due to multiple foot conditions so it's comfortable loose sneakers. (Foot conditions as in osteo and rheumatoid athritis, bursitis and sometimes a spot of gout). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribbean Chris Posted September 17, 2023 #41 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) On 9/15/2023 at 2:56 AM, TheMichael said: To be fair, we men tend to like to push the limits of "casual," much less "smart casual," way more than women do. Some guys seem willing to bring back the Boston Tea Party over their right to wear flip-flops and stretched-out t-shirts in the MDR. Just disembarked Zaandam last Wednesday. Very few, if any, men in shorts, ball caps, sleeveless tees, etc. in dining room or around the ship in the evenings. However, near the end of the cruise, we crossed paths with a man, apparently headed toward the MDR, pushing the limits of “casual” in a HAL bathrobe and Crocs. Edited September 17, 2023 by Caribbean Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 0106 Posted September 17, 2023 #42 Share Posted September 17, 2023 This image is copied from the Navigator app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted September 17, 2023 #43 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 12:06 AM, sciencewonk said: In Australia, smart casual means no flip flops. Wouldn't that be "no thongs"? 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SargassoPirate Posted September 17, 2023 #44 Share Posted September 17, 2023 7 hours ago, 0106 said: This image is copied from the Navigator app. Is there any actual enforcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 0106 Posted September 17, 2023 #45 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SargassoPirate said: Is there any actual enforcement? I’ve seen people turned away from the MDR because they looked like they just came from the pool, actually wet. FYI- In the Caribbean, my DH usually wears Khakis and nice “Hawaiian” shirts on “gala” nights and it has never been a problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAcruising Posted September 18, 2023 #46 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) I think if you choose to cruise Holland America, you know to wear pants and a collared shirt in the MDR. I mean, seriously, this isn't freaking Carnival. (yes, that's an ironic joke) Edited September 18, 2023 by IAcruising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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