Rare MrSchwump Posted November 21, 2023 #1 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I just saw this on the social media site whose name shall not be uttered. No excursions in Panama from the Emerald Princess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted November 22, 2023 #2 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Thanks for that. I followed her through the locks, and wondered why she never put out any tenders. Now we know. EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted November 22, 2023 #3 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Was just reading a Live from on the HAL board for Rotterdam, which did a partial on Sunday. Her excursions were also cancelled. EM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacMadame Posted November 23, 2023 #4 Share Posted November 23, 2023 How sad and disappointing. Are protests common in Panama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillB48 Posted November 23, 2023 #5 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Not really but they do occur. The present is about a Canadian copper mine and seems to have much of the country roiled. Things have settled a bit but not enough for the cruise lines. How long it will continue anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacMadame Posted November 23, 2023 #6 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, BillB48 said: The present is about a Canadian copper mine and seems to have much of the country roiled. From what I read, it expanded to general dissatisfaction with the current government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillB48 Posted November 23, 2023 #7 Share Posted November 23, 2023 There certainly is an element of that, but what kicked the current furor is the government renegotiated the agreement that allowed expansion and a much healthier payment to the government. For the healthier payment the government granted some privileges to the mining company that are extremely reminiscent of the authority the US had when it administered the Canal Zone. The authority the US had was a irritant to many Panamanians even though the treaty which turned over the Canal to Panama went in effect more than 40 years ago. The company has been operating the mine since 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mrell345 Posted November 23, 2023 #8 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Is this affecting Fuerte Amadore/Panama City excursions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted November 24, 2023 #9 Share Posted November 24, 2023 We get reports from people booked on cruises, so far partial transits to Gatun Lake. We haven’t heard from anyone on a full transit stopping overnight at Fuerte Amador. Not from the few whose cruises start or end in Panama City. EM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwils Posted November 26, 2023 #10 Share Posted November 26, 2023 We have a full passage booked on Emerald Princess for January '24. Sure hope Fuerte Amadore/Panama City stop doesn't get canceled. This especially since they already canceled Nicaragua. Many sea days for this 15 day cruise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier quilter Posted November 26, 2023 #11 Share Posted November 26, 2023 We were on Viking Star and our excursions in Colon on Oct 30 were cancelled. And on October 31 when we went through the Panama Canal we were delayed a little. Workers were delayed getting to work because roads were closed due to demonstrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corytravel Posted November 27, 2023 #12 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I have been trying to get any answers on this subject but everyone seems to be Quiet on this. We have had 2 stops already canceled on our way to Peru.this would make 3 on our Azamara onward cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomanny Posted November 28, 2023 #13 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Any updates on the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted November 28, 2023 #14 Share Posted November 28, 2023 6 hours ago, corytravel said: I have been trying to get any answers on this subject but everyone seems to be Quiet on this. We have had 2 stops already canceled on our way to Peru.this would make 3 on our Azamara onward cruise Are you doing a transit without stops? It won't be affected. If you are stopping at a port in Panama? What port? The canceling of Panama ports is voluntary...no requirement to cancel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomanny Posted November 28, 2023 #15 Share Posted November 28, 2023 We are stopping in Colon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corytravel Posted November 28, 2023 #16 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, CruiserBruce said: Are you doing a transit without stops? It won't be affected. If you are stopping at a port in Panama? What port? The canceling of Panama ports is voluntary...no requirement to cancel. Ft . Amador 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted November 28, 2023 #17 Share Posted November 28, 2023 8 hours ago, corytravel said: Ft . Amador 2 days First, it’s more than a month away. No one can tell you what the situation will be on Jan. 11. But you will already have been thru the canal using the old locks. EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillB48 Posted November 28, 2023 #18 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I was just going to reply that my contact in Panama told me that things had quieted down to a large degree. There were far fewer roadblocks and demonstrations particularly around the cities and the when there were roadblocks they generally were not long lasting. There was mostly a wait and see attitude while the Panama Supreme Court pontificates on the matter of the mining agreement being constitutional. This morning he wrote and said the Court had ruled that the agreement was unconstitutional. I feel sure in the short term things may settle down to "normal", how long that will last is an open question, it will be totally dependent on whether there is a complete shutdown, nationalization or even a renegotiation of the agreement. I am sure the cruise lines will just have to be flexible and make last minute decisions on port calls. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mrell345 Posted December 9, 2023 #19 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Any new updates on the local situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillB48 Posted December 9, 2023 #20 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Things have moved off the front burner, the Supreme Court has ruled the law enabling the mine operation unconstitutional and the President has indicated they will abide by the ruling. Right now it looks as though the mine will close, the disturbances have abated and things have returned to "normal". I don't think anyone really knows what the final solution for the mine will be and whether or not it will become an issue again. Either way the short fall of revenue to the government from no mine and the falling tolls because of the reduction of transits through the Canal offer a number of tripwires. At the moment no problemo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitbob Posted December 10, 2023 #21 Share Posted December 10, 2023 We stopped in Colon yesterday. All ship excursions went as planned. Our guide was from the Colon area, and confirmed much of what Billb48 said that things are back to normal for now. We embarked in Panama City on 12/7 after a 3 day stay there, and other than normal traffic jams we moved about without issue using Ubers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpdog42 Posted February 22 #22 Share Posted February 22 On 11/28/2023 at 6:58 AM, BillB48 said: I was just going to reply that my contact in Panama told me that things had quieted down to a large degree. There were far fewer roadblocks and demonstrations particularly around the cities and the when there were roadblocks they generally were not long lasting. There was mostly a wait and see attitude while the Panama Supreme Court pontificates on the matter of the mining agreement being constitutional. This morning he wrote and said the Court had ruled that the agreement was unconstitutional. I feel sure in the short term things may settle down to "normal", how long that will last is an open question, it will be totally dependent on whether there is a complete shutdown, nationalization or even a renegotiation of the agreement. I am sure the cruise lines will just have to be flexible and make last minute decisions on port calls. You must be talking about the constitution in Panama that's written in pencil😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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